On 9 May 2013 01:02, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > > I would be happy to use the subject tag PROPOSAL when lazy consensus is > being used, to separate these threads out from general DISCUSS threads. > Please note, however, that in my mental model of how Apache works, a > DISCUSS thread *is* a discussion that will default to lazy consensus. That > is how I have always used that tag. If you think it's confusing, let's > propose a new tag. >
I will note, actually, that the tag I put in the email thread is besides the point. That's just a matter of courtesy. The default model that we operate under is that if I announce my intentions to the dev@ list, then you have 72 hours to object. This works for two reasons: 1) People are elected to committer, primarily, because we *trust* them. That means we trust them to act in the best interests of the project. 2) If you care about this stuff, you need to be monitoring dev@ and you need to be voicing your objections. If you are not doing this, you cannot expect the project to slow down to suit your pace. There are some things that are too important to leave to lazy consensus. For those things, we should explicitly say "okay, if you're trying to do X then you need a formal vote with majority approval". It sounds to me like you've been caught off-guard because a few decisions have been made and you didn't have time to contribute. I would suggest two things. 1) Set up email filters so that DISCUSS, VOTE, NOTICE threads get priority in your inbox. 2) Come up with a list of things you think we should not leave to lazy consensus. So no, I don't think anybody has "abused" anything. Unless you mean to suggest that somebody is being tricky and is trying to "slip something past". That would be a very serious allegation, so you should make that explicit if you believe it to be the case. Again, if you have some exceptions in mind (releases, new committers, new PMC members, new chairs are all good examples) please bring them to the list, and we can start our first draft of the by-laws. -- NS
