I think the phrase is "disagree and commit". Make the list, if it’s not used or causes problems close it.
FWIW I like “topic” lists and think marketing@ is a good idea, especially to encourage non-technical involvement. On Tuesday, 4 February 2014 at 09:35, Noah Slater wrote: > Benoit, it's not that you're "the bad guy" for disagreeing. The > problem is when you filibuster people until they run out of energy. > This has been a problem for a long time now. > > As we continue to grow CouchDB we need to get out of this mindset that > unanimity is required to proceed on any action. You cannot scale a > decision making process beyond a few people with that model. Our > problems will only *worsen* unless we figure out way to solve this. > > You seem to be implying that my approach (which is not really my > approach, but rather the Apache approach) is silencing or > disempowering people. > > Quite the contrary. > > In fact, I have openly stated that anyone on this mailing list may > raise a formal objection and I will immediately cease my current > action. And I will then move this to a vote so that we can tally > people's opinions. > > Nobody has done that yet. This is the 13th email now. And we're at 2549 words. > > In fact, what I am doing is empowering. > > Because I'm also stating that anyone else can do this. If you (dear > reader) have a proposal, and you are worried that you're going to be > filibustered off the mailing list, I invite you to share it with the > group. > > And I invite you to solicit clear, unambiguous objections. Do not let > people send email after email with concerns, and nitpicks, and > disquitions on nomenclature. > > Remind people: so far I have not heard an objection. If someone has a > formal objection to make, please make it. > > > I had no response to the reasons I have gave (a "I read you" is not a > > response) > > It is a response. I understand your concerns. What else do you want me > to say? There's nothing else to discuss. I still think the mailing > list is a good idea. I want to try it as an experiment, and am happy > to report back to the PMC. > > > On 4 February 2014 10:16, Benoit Chesneau <[email protected] > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Robert Samuel Newson <[email protected] > > (mailto:[email protected])> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > +1 to all that, Noah. I can only imagine what this looks like to casual > > > readers. > > > > > > Few things require unanimity and this is not one of them. > > > > > > The reason I've stayed quiet on the proposal is that while I don't feel > > > strongly for it, I don't feel strongly against it. It's not my time or > > > effort being expended, and I applaud when others expend effort to help our > > > project. > > > > > > To see so many threads crash in the same way, still, is very upsetting. > > > Benoit, when you do this, I generally just archive the thread and stop > > > contributing. It's tiresome. > > > > > > B. > > > > > > > > I am not surprised. > > > > I am off course the bad and hostile guy always in disagreement, always > > reverting its position. Which is untrue. I of couse accept the decision of > > most even if I disagree. This is the power of a democracy. But beeing in > > disagreeement sometimes is not beeing hostile. > > > > If nothing can be discussed then fine, let's supposed that concensus = > > silent acceptation from the mass and forget little voices that express > > themselves. This is indeed quite easier to handle. Now consider how this is > > hostile for the little voice that express when the only response you get in > > these threads is , oh the silent acceptation is enough, and anyway I don't > > need it to continue what I wanted to do. This is just as saying, i am just > > launching the thread, but in reality I am not looking for any consulting, > > just looking for people that are following me. This is were the hostility > > is and this is what can put people out of voice. > > > > I didn't disagree about any marketing action in that thread. I also didn't > > disagree at all. I objected to the creation of a new mailing-list when it > > came in a discussion and gave my reasons for. I had no response to the > > reasons I have gave (a "I read you" is not a response). In return to my > > objections i was categorised about beeing hostile, and beeing an action > > blocker, ... . > > > > Thank you. > > > > - benoit > > > > -- > Noah Slater > https://twitter.com/nslater
