It will prevent replicating from db created in 4.0 which has a name
longer than 238 (say 250) back to 2.x/3.x if the user intends to keep
the same database name on both systems, that's what I meant.

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 3:15 PM Robert Samuel Newson <rnew...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> The 'timestamp in filename' is only on the internal shards, which would not 
> be part of a replication between 2.x/3.x and 4.x.
>
> In any case, Nick is suggesting lowering from 256 charts to 238 chars to 
> leave room for these things that won't be there. I confess I don't understand 
> the reasoning.
>
> B.
>
> > On 4 May 2020, at 20:04, Joan Touzet <woh...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > I suspect he means when replicating back to a 3.x or 2.x cluster.
> >
> > On 2020-05-04 3:03 p.m., Robert Samuel Newson wrote:
> >> But we don't need to add a file extension or a timestamp to database names.
> >> B.
> >>> On 4 May 2020, at 18:42, Nick Vatamaniuc <vatam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello everyone,
> >>>
> >>> Good idea, +1 with one minor tweak: database name length in versions
> >>> <4.0 was restricted by the maximum file name on whatever file system
> >>> the server was running on. In practice that was 255, then there is an
> >>> extension and a timestamp in the filename which made the db name limit
> >>> be 238 so I suggest to use that instead.
> >>>
> >>> -Nick
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 11:51 AM Robert Samuel Newson <rnew...@apache.org> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I think I speak for many in accepting the risk that we're excluding doc 
> >>>> ids formed from 4096-bit RSA signatures.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't think I made it clear but I think these should be fixed limits 
> >>>> (i.e, not configurable) in order to ensure inter-replication between 
> >>>> couchdb installations wherever they are.
> >>>>
> >>>> B.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 4 May 2020, at 10:52, Ilya Khlopotov <iil...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you Robert for starting this important discussion. I think that 
> >>>>> the values you propose make sense.
> >>>>> I can see a case when user would use hashes as document ids. All 
> >>>>> existent hash functions I am aware of should return data which fit into 
> >>>>> 512 characters. There is only one case which doesn't fit into 512 
> >>>>> limit. If user would decide to use RSA signatures as document ids and 
> >>>>> they use 4096 bytes sized keys the signature size would be 684 bytes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However in this case users can easily replace signatures with hashes of 
> >>>>> signatures. So I wouldn't worry about it to much. 512 sounds plenty to 
> >>>>> me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> +1 to set hard limits on db name size and doc id size with proposed 
> >>>>> values.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>> iilyak
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 2020/05/01 18:36:45, Robert Samuel Newson <rnew...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There are other threads related to doc size (etc) limits for CouchDB 
> >>>>>> 4.0, motivated by restrictions in FoundationDB, but we haven't 
> >>>>>> discussed database name length and doc id length limits. These are 
> >>>>>> encoded into FoundationDB keys and so we would be wise to forcibly 
> >>>>>> limit their length from the start.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I propose 256 character limit for database name and 512 character 
> >>>>>> limit for doc ids.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you can't uniquely identify your database or document within those 
> >>>>>> limits I argue that you're doing something wrong, and the limits here, 
> >>>>>> while making FDB happy, are an aid to sensible application design.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Does anyone want higher or lower limits? Comments pls.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> B.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
>

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