Noting that the upgrade channel for views was misconceived (by me) as there is 
no version number in the header for them. You’d need to add it. 

B. 

> On 18 Nov 2021, at 07:12, Nick Vatamaniuc <vatam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thinking more about this issue I wonder if we can avoid resetting and
> rebuilding everything from scratch, and instead, let the upgrade
> happen in the background, while still serving the existing view data.
> 
> The realization was that collation doesn't affect the emitted keys and
> values themselves, only their order in the view b-trees. That means
> we'd just have to rebuild b-trees, and that is exactly what our view
> compactor already does.
> 
> When we detect a libicu version discrepancy we'd submit the view for
> compaction. We even have a dedicated "upgrade" [1] channel in smoosh
> which handles file version format upgrades, but we'll tweak that logic
> to trigger on libicu version mismatches as well.
> 
> Would this work? Does anyone see any issue with that approach?
> 
> [1] 
> https://github.com/apache/couchdb/blob/3.x/src/smoosh/src/smoosh_server.erl#L435-L442
> 
> Cheers,
> -Nick
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 7:01 PM Nick Vatamaniuc <vatam...@apache.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> CouchDB by default uses the libicu library to sort its view rows.
>> When views are built, we do not record or track the version of the
>> collation algorithm. The issue is that the ICU library may modify the
>> collation order between major libicu versions, and when that happens,
>> views built with the older versions may experience data loss. I wanted
>> to discuss the option to record the libicu collator version in each
>> view then warn the user when there is a mismatch. Also, optionally
>> ignore the mismatch, or automatically rebuild the views.
>> 
>> Imagine, for example, searching patient records using start/end keys.
>> It could be possible that, say, the first letter of their name now
>> collates differently in a new libicu. That would prevent the patient
>> record from showing up in the view results for some important
>> procedure or medication. Users might not even be aware of this kind of
>> data loss occurring, there won't be any error in the API or warning in
>> the logs.
>> 
>> I was thinking how to solve this. There were a few commits already to
>> cleanup our collation drivers [1], expose libicu and collation
>> algorithm version in the new _versions endpoint [2], and some other
>> minor fixes in that area. As the next steps we could:
>> 
>>  1) Modify our views to keep track of the collation algorithm
>> version. We could attempt to transparently upgrade the view header
>> format -- read the old view file, update the header with an extra
>> libicu collation version field, that updates the signature, and then,
>> save the file with the new header and new signature. This avoids view
>> rebuilds, just records the collator version in the view and moves the
>> files to a new name.
>> 
>>  2) Do what PostgreSQL does, and 2a) emit a warning with the view
>> results when the current libicu version doesn't match the version in
>> the view [3]. That means altering the view results to add a "warning":
>> "..." field. Another alternative 2b) is emit a warning in the
>> _design/$ddoc/_info only. Users would have to know that after an OS
>> version upgrade, or restoring backups, to make sure to look at their
>> _design/$ddoc/_info for each db for each ddoc. Of course, there may be
>> users which used the "raw" collation option, or know they are using
>> just the plain ASCII character sets in their views. So we'd have a
>> configuration setting to ignore the warnings as well.
>> 
>>  3) Users who see the warning, could then either rebuild the view
>> with the new collator library manually, or it could happen
>> automatically based on a configuration option, basically "when
>> collator versions are miss-matched, invalidate and rebuild all the
>> views".
>> 
>>  4) We'd have a way for the users to assert (POST a ddoc update) that
>> they double-checked the new ICU version and are convinced that a
>> particular view would not experience data loss with the new collator.
>> That should make the warning go away, and the view to not be rebuilt.
>> This can't be just a naive "collator" option setting as both per-view
>> and per-design options are used when computing the view signature, and
>> any changes there would result in the view being rebuilt. Perhaps we
>> can add it to the design docs as a separate option which is excluded
>> from the signature hash, like the "autoupdate" setting for background
>> index builder ("collation_version_accept"?). PostgreSQL also offers
>> this option with the ALTER COLLATION ... REFRESH VERSION command [3]
>> 
>> What do we think, is this a reasonable approach? Is there something
>> easier / simpler we can do?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> -Nick
>> 
>> [1] 
>> https://github.com/apache/couchdb/pull/3746/commits/28f26f52fe2e170d98658311dafa8198d96b8061
>> [2] 
>> https://github.com/apache/couchdb/commit/c1bb4e4856edd93255d75ebe158b4da38bbf3333
>> [3] https://www.postgresql.org/docs/13/sql-altercollation.html

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