+1 from me, it is a bit confusing at the moment.

Regards,
Andrei.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Kulp [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Dienstag, 3. September 2013 19:10
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [DISCUSS] Big bundles for 3.0....
> 
> 
> I'd like to get rid of the 3 big bundles for 3.0 and want to get other's
> thoughts....
> 
> Basically, I little history behind them.....
> 
> A long long time ago, we decided to use shade to create a single big jar that
> can stick in the "lib" directory of the distribution to reduce the number of 
> jars
> in the lib dir and on the classpath.   Personally, I really don't care about 
> the
> number of jars, (especially considering the number of 3rd party jars we have
> in there already)  but some people did so the bundle was created.   The
> individual modules are still part of the distro in the modules dir, so much of
> the functionality is in the distro twice.   We already have the "cxf-
> manifest.jar" jar which pulls in all the individual jars for javac and 
> runtime so
> all the little jars are not required on the classpath to avoid the classpath
> length limits.
> 
> Anyway, when we started looking at OSGi, due to all the split-package issues,
> we decided the easiest way to support CXF in OSGi was to add the OSGi
> metadata to the big jar.  Thus, it became an OSGi bundle.
> 
> When DOSGi came along, we decided the bundle was too big and created
> the "minimal" bundle.
> 
> Likewise, JAX-RS folks wanted a JAX-RS only bundle.
> 
> Thus, we ended up with 3 big bundles.
> 
> 
> HOWEVER, a lot has changed since then:
> 
> 1)  For starters, all the split-package things are resolved and each jar is 
> it's
> own OSGi bundle.   Additionally, many of the bundle have their own
> activators and such that do NOT work with the big bundle.   The features.xml
> and such were all updated to use the little jars.    If using 2.6.x or newer 
> in
> OSGi, it's strongly recommended to use the individual bundles as that's all
> that is tested.
> 
> 2) DOSGi has "grown" and thus the minimal bundle has grown to include
> most of the stuff in the "all" bundle.   It's really not minimal at all 
> anymore.   If
> you DO need a minimal CXF environment, you are WAY WAY better off
> grabbing the individual jars/bundles you need.   You can create a much
> smaller set than even the minimal bundle provided.   DOSGi has also changed
> to using the individual bundles instead of the big bundle anyway.
> 
> 3) Likewise with JAX-RS.  With the individual jars, you can create a much more
> tailored and smaller runtime (especially on 3.0/trunk due to the dependency
> cleanups)
> 
> 4) Services - none of the services (STS, WSN, WS-Discovery, etc...) are in the
> big bundles anyway and thus are stuck as jars in the lib dir.   The XJC 
> runtime
> and plugins are pulled out as well.
> 
> 5) More people using Maven - with a majority of CXF users likely using
> Maven instead of Ant or other tools and Maven handling all the little jars
> fairly well, I believe very few people use the big bundles.
> 
> 
> Anyway, I'd like to go ahead and remove all three of them for 3.0.      It 
> would
> result in a smaller distribution, the OSGi story is clearer, it simplifies 
> (and
> speeds up) the build a little bit, etc...
> 
> The downside being a lot of cxf-*.jar's in the distribution's lib directory.  
>    If
> this is too much of a downside, we could keep the "all" bundle, but I'd
> recommend removing all the OSGi stuff from it so there is no confusion that
> this is not for OSGi.   That said, I just don't think we need it at all.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> --
> Daniel Kulp
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