Hi - > On Jul 24, 2020, at 12:00 PM, leerho <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you for your helpful comments. I have made the changes you suggested > except for #2, where I need some more clarification. > According to whimsy <https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/datasketches> we > have 12 committers and 12 PPMC members (5 of those are Mentors). > It is my understanding from reading the PPMC guide > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html> and the Roles > <http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles> the PPMC members > are "elected from a collection of developers / (contributors) or committers". > "It should be a goal of a podling to have all committers participate in the > PPMC." > The PPMC is the Incubator analog to the eventual PMC. And a PMC member has > "write access to the code repos". > Therefore a PMC/PPMC member has a superset of rights and responsibilities > compared to a committer. > Therefore, from the above PPMC/PMC and Roles guidelines, adding a PPMC member > would be equivalent to adding a committer during incubation, although formal > promotion to PPMC could be later. > It is our priority right now to add more committers, especially from a > diverse set of organizations, and these committers would eventually also > become PPMC members, but that is a second step.
Many projects do make this two step process. > > How do you envision our adding PPMC members that don't start out as > committers first? Some projects choose to advance people quickly to PMC members and others make it slow. If this is how DataSketches chooses to do it that is your choice. Note that the Initial Committers were also made PPMC members. > > It is not clear to me why "Adding more PPMC members" (separate from adding > committers) right now would be a priority. Committers have the rights to change code. Social convention should control how this happens. Commit then review, or review then commit. You can do both, or agree that anything big needs a review. That kind of review should be on the dev@ mailing list. In a Top Level Project PMC members have binding votes on releases and adding new committers and PMC members. The project needs to have enough active PMC members to make a release, handle security reports, and trademarks. The PMC needs to continually add PMC members to make sure that this happens. For example, I’m a member of the POI PMC, but relatively inactive. The project is nearly 20 years old and has been a TLP for about 14 years. (It had been part of the Jakarta “Umbrella” project) No one who was actively advancing the project then is currently active. At one point we were down to the minimum of three active. (If needed some of us have volunteered to reactivate if necessary.) When the podling decides it is ready to graduate it is usual to poll the PPMC to confirm who will continue on the PMC. Some of your mentors may choose not to be on the PMC. Consider filling out the Maturity Model to evaluate the podling. [1] I think you all are close. Regards, Dave [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html > > Your help with this would be appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Lee. > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:57 PM Dave Fisher <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Hi - > > Under 3 most important unfinished issues to address before graduating: > > You only list 1. > > Adding more committers. We now have a few individuals that have been > consistent contributors to the project that we may soon want to go through > the new committer election process. This is a big change from our last report > where we had no candidates at all. We also are seeing a big increase in the > number of single PRs coming from a number of different people, especially for > our C++ components, which is very good news. This proves that there is > growing interest in the project and there are folks out there that want to > contribute to the project. > > I think some of (1) should be in the community development section. > > (2) Could be adding more PPMC members > (3) Could be preparing for graduation. > > Regards, > Dave > >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:37 PM, leerho <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Folks, >> >> I submitted a draft for our upcoming Quarterly Board Report >> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/August2020>. Please >> review and let me know what needs to be added or changed. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Lee. >
