maybe we can do a public poll? 1) Keep it like it 2) @DeltaSpike 3) ordinal() 4) other? Romain Manni-Bucau Twitter: @rmannibucau Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
2014-02-23 23:18 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko <andraschko.tho...@gmail.com>: > If it was agreed, we should leave @JsfPhaseListener as it is... > > Sorry if i'm a bit annoying but... > I still like the idea of a global qualifier instead @Web. > As Romain said, it would see it as an namespace -> > @Inject @DeltaSpike ServletContext context > looks good. > > > > > 2014-02-23 23:01 GMT+01:00 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: > >> at other parts you specify an artifact with an interface, annotation,... >> and at the same point (if possible) you are able to specify the ordinal >> (without an extra annotation). >> that's easier for users and therefore we agreed on it in the beginning. >> >> regards, >> gerhard >> >> http://www.irian.at >> >> Your JSF/JavaEE powerhouse - >> JavaEE Consulting, Development and >> Courses in English and German >> >> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >> >> >> >> 2014-02-23 22:48 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko <andraschko.tho...@gmail.com >> >: >> >> > which consistency gerhard? >> > >> > >> > 2014-02-23 22:45 GMT+01:00 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com >> >: >> > >> > > independent of the name, we would break the consistency. >> > > >> > > regards, >> > > gerhard >> > > >> > > http://www.irian.at >> > > >> > > Your JSF/JavaEE powerhouse - >> > > JavaEE Consulting, Development and >> > > Courses in English and German >> > > >> > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > 2014-02-23 22:40 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>: >> > > >> > > > using javax.* from deltaspike is quite ambiguous: is it a DS behavior >> > > > or a spec one? I'm no opposed Priority but in >> > > > org.apache.deltaspile...Priority >> > > > Romain Manni-Bucau >> > > > Twitter: @rmannibucau >> > > > Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ >> > > > LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau >> > > > Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > 2014-02-23 22:34 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko < >> > > andraschko.tho...@gmail.com >> > > > >: >> > > > > Could you explain this? I can't follow you. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > 2014-02-23 22:23 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau < >> rmannibu...@gmail.com >> > >: >> > > > > >> > > > >> I'd prefer something more explicit. Just changing the package >> would >> > be >> > > > >> enough for me >> > > > >> Romain Manni-Bucau >> > > > >> Twitter: @rmannibucau >> > > > >> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ >> > > > >> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau >> > > > >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> 2014-02-23 22:17 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko < >> > > > andraschko.tho...@gmail.com >> > > > >> >: >> > > > >> > Hmm... >> > > > >> > We could clone it for JEE6 support and handle both annotations >> for >> > > > >> backward >> > > > >> > compatibility. >> > > > >> > Maybe we could also use it for other features (or later..) >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > 2014-02-23 22:14 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau < >> > > rmannibu...@gmail.com >> > > > >: >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> That's would be ambiguous with JavaEE 6 >> > > > >> >> Romain Manni-Bucau >> > > > >> >> Twitter: @rmannibucau >> > > > >> >> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ >> > > > >> >> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau >> > > > >> >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> 2014-02-23 22:12 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko < >> > > > >> andraschko.tho...@gmail.com >> > > > >> >> >: >> > > > >> >> > What about reusing javax.annotation.Priority? >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > 2014-02-23 22:02 GMT+01:00 Gerhard Petracek < >> > > > >> gerhard.petra...@gmail.com >> > > > >> >> >: >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> >> it's just a stereotype to get a better tool-support... >> > > > >> >> >> @Advanced is also a qualifier (at least in codi). >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> however, we need "ordinal" or we add @InvocationOrder as it >> > was >> > > in >> > > > >> codi. >> > > > >> >> >> once we do that, we break the consistency in that area. >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> regards, >> > > > >> >> >> gerhard >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> http://www.irian.at >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> Your JSF/JavaEE powerhouse - >> > > > >> >> >> JavaEE Consulting, Development and >> > > > >> >> >> Courses in English and German >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> 2014-02-23 21:41 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko < >> > > > >> >> andraschko.tho...@gmail.com >> > > > >> >> >> >: >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Another problem is that @web is a qualifier and >> > > > @JsfPhaseListener >> > > > >> is a >> > > > >> >> >> > stereotype and not a qualifier. >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >> >> >> > So if we would change it, we must use different >> annotations. >> > > > Right? >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >> >> >> > IMO >> > > > >> >> >> > @Inject @DeltaSpike ServletContext context; >> > > > >> >> >> > would be great as it's just like a namespace. >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >> >> >> > For the @JsfPhaseListener, something like @Advanced would >> be >> > > > >> better. >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >> >> >> > 2014-02-18 11:16 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko < >> > > > >> >> >> andraschko.tho...@gmail.com >> > > > >> >> >> > >: >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >> >> >> > > IMO it's actually more expressive than any other names. >> > > Maybe >> > > > >> >> >> > > @DeltaSpikeManaged would be more impressive... >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> >> > > +1 @DeltaSpike then, before keeping the old >> > redudant/"ugly" >> > > > >> >> qualifiers. >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> >> > > 2014-02-18 10:51 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau < >> > > > >> >> rmannibu...@gmail.com>: >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> >> > > +1 kind of tradeoff >> > > > >> >> >> > >> Romain Manni-Bucau >> > > > >> >> >> > >> Twitter: @rmannibucau >> > > > >> >> >> > >> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ >> > > > >> >> >> > >> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau >> > > > >> >> >> > >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> 2014-02-18 10:46 GMT+01:00 Gerhard Petracek < >> > > > >> >> >> gerhard.petra...@gmail.com >> > > > >> >> >> > >: >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > we haven't seen a nice name so far -> i would keep >> what >> > > we >> > > > >> have >> > > > >> >> >> right >> > > > >> >> >> > >> now >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > (it's redundant, but at least a bit more expressive). >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > regards, >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > gerhard >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > 2014-02-18 10:20 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg < >> > > > strub...@yahoo.de>: >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> I do agree on @Managed not being very expressive. >> > Think >> > > > about >> > > > >> >> the >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> @ManagedBean disaster in JavaEE itself. 'Managed' is >> > in >> > > > the >> > > > >> same >> > > > >> >> >> > >> ballpark >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> like 'Class' or 'Object'. >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> Managed by whom and what? >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> In that case I'd rather go with @DeltaSpike or keep >> > > > @Web... >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> But I do not care that much about names... >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> LieGrue, >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> strub >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> On Tuesday, 18 February 2014, 10:15, Romain >> > Manni-Bucau >> > > < >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> @Gerhard: yeah but managed is not expressive, doesnt >> > > give >> > > > the >> > > > >> >> >> origin >> > > > >> >> >> > + >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >is quite standard for jmxso i would avoid it. That >> > said >> > > > it >> > > > >> >> doesnt >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >bring any feature so i dont want to fight for a >> name. >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >Romain Manni-Bucau >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >Twitter: @rmannibucau >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >2014-02-18 10:12 GMT+01:00 Gerhard Petracek < >> > > > >> >> >> > >> gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> @romain: >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> you will always have same/similar terms in >> > different >> > > > areas >> > > > >> >> (see >> > > > >> >> >> > e.g. >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "message"). >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> regards, >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> gerhard >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >>
