Hello Werner,

The Hackathon went well, but I need to confess that I worked on an Elastic
Search project mostly -- I thought that the DM-related project I shared is
almost complete, just missing a decent hosting and design. Nevertheless,
for a couple of days I will be working on it in the weekends. Coming back
to your comments...

Java 8 is not an issue. I agree that we need to support *even* Java 6,
unfortunately.
For Lombok, I will definitely miss it but I can live without it.

I really support the idea of having an Optional<T> type instead of exposing
a null to the client. If we would implement our own Optional, since the
user will be just consuming an immutable data structure, it will not
interfere with Java 8's or Guava's Optionals. Maybe we can even rename it
to OptionalAttribute<T> or something else. But my 2 cents are 1) employing
Optionals and 2) introducing properly typed (using
enum/int/string/float/etc.) class fields in addition to a raw
Map<String,String>.

And "vy" is fine for username.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Werner Keil <[email protected]> wrote:

> Volkan,
>
> How did your hackathon go?
>
> To progress with the already approved committer role (and you also pointed
> out here e.g. under 5., that some patches and fixes you offered were not
> followed-up for reasons we we know from other threads)
>
> A lot of the GitHub project sounds exciting and as long as you're the sole
> contributor or hold all IP you'd be able to contribute appropriate
> improvements to DeviceMap. Maybe already advanced enough for a 2.x
> branch;-)
>
> About the Java 8 dependency, that's up to what others think. I know Java 7
> and even 6 is still widely used, so despite Oracle and some JUGs heavily
> pushing for everyone to use only SE 8 now, reality looks different here,
> too, and "legacy" doesn't always just vanish even if a new version or two
> are available and may even work better for some cases.
>
> The other dependencies, we discussed Lombok earlier, I can't say if it
> makes sense, but unless there is a complete license no-go with Apache for
> some reason, either of them could be fine. Guava inspired Java 8 a lot,
> e.g. Optional etc. existed there before (so one could use
> com.google.common.base.Optional
> in a Java 6/7 version of the same code and in a Java 8 branch stick to the
> SE 8 native one java.util.Optional)
>
>
> What is the preferred Apache user name you would like to use?
> Just "vy" like on GitHub, if there's no minimal length, it might work,
> otherwise what do you prefer?
>
> Thanks,
> Werner
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Volkan Yazıcı <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > As I might have mentioned before, we internally use a slightly enhanced
> > version of Apache DeviceMap at bol.com. Tomorrow there will be an all
> day
> > long in-company Hackathon. There I plan to build a website
> > whatismyuseragent.nl, where visitors are displayed the list of
> attributes
> > returned by Apache DeviceMap. Further, they will be able to submit their
> > enhancements by just updating the displayed values and hitting enter. The
> > submission will end up as a GitHub issue. While the visuals still suck
> (the
> > design is on the way), mechanics are more or less complete and the source
> > code is accessible at https://github.com/vy/what-is-my-user-agent
> address.
> > I believe this will bring some visibility to the project and have a
> > potential to improve the DDR data. (Would Apache DM be willing to host
> such
> > an application officially and connect it to their own JIRA system?)
> >
> > Within the project, I had employed the following mechanics that I also
> want
> > to incorporate into Apache DeviceMap:
> >
> > 1. In addition to a *DeviceAttributes*
> > <
> >
> https://github.com/vy/what-is-my-user-agent/blob/master/src/main/java/com/vlkan/whatismyuseragent/devicemap/DeviceAttributes.java
> > >
> > class consisting of a generic *Map<String,String>* field (as is the case
> > for DM), I also implemented a *ApacheDeviceAttributes*
> > <
> >
> https://github.com/vy/what-is-my-user-agent/blob/master/src/main/java/com/vlkan/whatismyuseragent/devicemap/apache/ApacheDeviceAttributes.java
> > >
> > subclass such that all known device attributes (manually collected from
> DDR
> > sources) are represented as fields. This allows the programmer to replace
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *if (attrs.containsKey("ajaxSupportJavaScript")) {
> > boolean ajaxSupportJavaScript =
> > Boolean.parseBoolean(attrs.get("ajaxSupportJavaScript"));    ...}*
> > like boilerplate with an
> >
> > *Optional<Boolean> ajaxSupportJavaScript*.
> >
> > *Optional<T>* introduces a Java 8 dependency. Hence, we might want to
> > replace it with a custom *Attribute<T>* class. But the attributes as a
> > statically typed class field still holds its type-safe promise, I
> believe.
> >
> > 2. Used enums for representing attributes with a fixed set of values,
> that
> > is, *DeviceOs*
> > <
> >
> https://github.com/vy/what-is-my-user-agent/blob/master/src/main/java/com/vlkan/whatismyuseragent/devicemap/attribute/DeviceOs.java
> > >,
> > *InputDevice*
> > <
> >
> https://github.com/vy/what-is-my-user-agent/blob/master/src/main/java/com/vlkan/whatismyuseragent/devicemap/attribute/InputDevice.java
> > >,
> > and *MobileBrowser*
> > <
> >
> https://github.com/vy/what-is-my-user-agent/blob/master/src/main/java/com/vlkan/whatismyuseragent/devicemap/attribute/MobileBrowser.java
> > >.
> > (Values are collected from DDR.)
> >
> > 3. Added a *DeviceType*
> > <
> >
> https://github.com/vy/what-is-my-user-agent/blob/master/src/main/java/com/vlkan/whatismyuseragent/devicemap/DeviceType.java
> > >
> > class for classifying a User-Agent into the following categories:
> >
> >    - Mini: head up displays, smart watches, -3”, minimal controls
> >    - Mobile: smart phone, phablet, -6”, game device, touch enabled
> >    - Tablet: touch enabled, 7”-13”
> >    - E-Reader: greyscale, e-Ink, fixed fonts, -10”
> >    - Desktop: PC, laptop, notebook mouse/keyboard, 11”-
> >    - TV: smart TV, set top box, streaming device, 40”-
> >    - Maxi: cinema, tv walls, 100”-, minimal controls
> >    - SEO Agent: search bots
> >
> > This is a work in progress and as of now, only Mobile, Tablet, Desktop,
> and
> > SEO Agent options are supported.
> >
> > 4. Introduced a two-phased parsing pipeline to determine the
> *DeviceType*.
> > One that depends on the User-Agent (for instance, you can easily
> > differentiate a Googlebot without the need for DM attribute extraction to
> > kick in), and another one that depends on both the User-Agent and
> extracted
> > attributes.
> >
> > 5. Enriched the bot database using *BuilderDataSourcePatch.xml*
> > <
> >
> https://github.com/vy/what-is-my-user-agent/blob/master/src/main/resources/com/vlkan/whatismyuseragent/devicemap/apache/devicedata/BuilderDataSourcePatch.xml
> > >
> > file. (Actually, I had already submitted the very same bots as a JIRA
> > issue, but had no effect so far.)
> >
> > 6. Treated Googlebot Mobile as a *DeviceType.MOBILE*
> > <
> >
> https://github.com/vy/what-is-my-user-agent/blob/master/src/main/java/com/vlkan/whatismyuseragent/devicemap/DeviceProfilerService.java#L46
> > >
> > rather than a *DeviceType.SEO_AGENT*. This is of crucial importance,
> since
> > Googlebot Mobile needs to spider the website and determine whether it is
> > mobile-friendly or not, which has a direct impact in the Google rankings.
> >
> > We can directly implement some of these changes in the existing code
> base,
> > and some will preferably require a new (and probably backward
> incompatible)
> > API. Maybe this will also be a good motivation for a separate 2.0 version
> > as Reza recommended. (I hope I got Reza's intention after long
> > discussions.) Put another way, or as Werner said there is no harm in
> > maintaining two separate drivers/DDRs. Ideas?
> >
> > Best.
> >
>

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