On 2019/06/27 13:55:43, Naomi S <[email protected]> wrote: 
> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 15:25, Sam Ruby <[email protected]> wrote:> 
> 
> >> 
> > I'd like to request that we not contemplate taking any action> 
> > retroactively.  I share Myrle's desire that this list be a place where> 
> > we can "exchange unpopular opinions and unpleasant facts." and the> 
> > conclusion that that requires a social contract.  Let's figure out> 
> > what that social contract is, and then consistently apply it going> 
> > forward.> 
> 
> 
> agreed. but I would also like to request that people call out behavior they> 
> find unacceptable as and when it happens. doing so can be an effective way> 
> to improve things. we should ratify this stuff, but we don't need to do> 
> that to start communicating our individual expectations> 
> 

As long as punitive action is taken to squash disagreeable behavior, and not 
disagreeable points of view. 

Those 2 are quite different and distinct, I think.

As I mentioned previously, this group and this list should expect some serious 
level discussion; the topics being discussed are deep, serious, sincere, 
personal and, yes, political. I (again) encourage people to read Radical Candor 
and assume Good Intent. Even Myrle's original post on this could be seen as a 
sideways attempt to silence certain people instead of a reasonable reminder.

(I will ignore the social impacts of taking such actions as "blocking" people, 
and how such decisions are made).

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