On 7/14/2019 2:07 PM, Joan Touzet wrote: > > On 2019-07-13 10:59 a.m., Kevin A. McGrail wrote: >> Wikis also fall.into a middle ground. For me, they do not support low >> vision users either. They don't support file storage and the version >> control in messaging that I have seen is onerous to find minor changes. > > Can you explain this concern in greater detail? I can zoom in on our > wiki with my browser and read it quite well with poor vision, even > from farther away if necessary (a few lines at a time). The needs change depending on the task: Images versus text versus tables versus calculations.
For example, it can take me an hour to find a /> or ; out of place that used to take seconds. And a screen reader with code can be painful to say the least. With a spreadsheet, I can move cells. With something freeform like our financial reports, it's painful. I can't read down a column. Atlassian with Jira and Confluence at least have VPATs but usually it's the use of the wrong tool for the job. For example, the budget work in SVN with python scripts to re-tally is a bit of insanity for me. Not only is it hard to read but I couldn't fix a $2K error because the lift was so high. > If you're poorly sighted enough that you need a screen reader, I've > also suggested a plugin that can be used for full 508/A11Y support, > including full screen reader support. I'm sure we can find the money > for that (or ask the board as a legitimate D&I expense). I would not suggest it for my needs. I find wikis so frustrating to edit that I try and spend my time elsewhere. But yes, I am schedule A from the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visual Impaired i.e. I have a white cane and have been trained in it's use. I'm blessed to be able to work but I use a lot of compensatory techniques. > >> I recommend we formally consider a recommendation around better, more >> inclusive tools. Tools like Google G Suite or Microsoft o365, *both of >> which are donated to us*, are far more widely used and better suited for >> non-programmers and coders alike. > > -1, because it is more challenging to manage access to these resources > (they are not directly under our LDAP restrictions) and thus are less > under Infra's ability to manage long-term. Those donations can also be > pulled at any time. Actually, Daniel Ruggeri did a POC for the LDAP integration. Additionally, I don't believe it's a legitimate concern that Microsoft or Google will pull these donations. The scope of their programs is gargantuan. > How do these tools work better for your low vision *specifically*? Example: Try navigating a multi column wall of numbers like our financial reports on the monthly board meeting from the treasurer. Now try the same data in an XLS file or Google Sheet where you can hit down arrow to read a column. Additionally, go read the "diffs" from confluence when the incubator reports are filed. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. Regards, KAM -- Kevin A. McGrail Member, Apache Software Foundation Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
