Hi all, I just took the question about the CLC to the PLC4X project. There we very quickly noticed that we would be stuck in a dilemma:
We're implementing drivers for protocols that use pretty un-inclusive terms ... A Modbus Master is simply called that, same as A Modbus Slave. A PROFINET Master also simply is called that way. We could now decide to call it something different, but that would definitiely confuse people. What are your thoughts on this? Chris -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Rich Bowen <[email protected]> Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. September 2021 14:40 An: [email protected]; Łukasz Dywicki <[email protected]>; [email protected] Betreff: Re: Conscious Language Checker at the ASF On 9/5/21 6:03 PM, Łukasz Dywicki wrote: > My feeling is close to Christian's in this regard. > > Writing docs is usually harder than writing code, especially for for > non-native speakers. Similar thing applies to non-native readers of it. > Try writing up a piece of PKI description without using "Alice and Bob" > and correlated his/her phrases. > > While I understand that many society groups been going through various > troubles now and in the past, I do believe that changing of vocabulary > will simply not fix their issues. To be fair I don't know how to write > that to not step on somebody's else sensitive toe. You'll get no disagreement from me on that - anyone who thinks that changing vocabulary will fix everything is fooling themselves. Nope, this is one step out of many. But it's an important step, because it causes us to *think* about how words affect others. And that, in my experience, leads us to think about how *everything* affects others. Compassion and empathy start with small gestures. Small steps become larger steps. Thinking that the small step is the entire solution is a mistake. Worse yet, deciding not to take the small step because it's not the entire solution, causes the larger steps to never be considered. > On 02.09.2021 20:18, Christian Schneider wrote: >> When there is a list of "bad" words and a tool that highlights them >> then this is exactly how it feels. >> >> Christian >> >> Am Do., 2. Sept. 2021 um 20:05 Uhr schrieb Rich Bowen <[email protected]>: >> >>> >>> >>> On 9/2/21 1:52 PM, Christian Schneider wrote: >>>> I do not like this effort. Banning words and pointing them out is >>>> the >>> wrong >>>> way to achieve an inclusive environment. >>>> Also I think words like he or she must not be banned. They are >>>> neutral words that are totally acceptable in many cases. >>>> Avoiding them in most documentation might be fine but having them >>>> on a >>> bad >>>> word list feels extremely wrong to me. >>>> >>>> In our well meant effort to be woke we sometimes go too far. >>> >>> You have misunderstood this initiative. Nothing is banned, >>> forbidden, struck from the language, or otherwise removed from use. >>> >>> If you agree that avoiding these words in documentation might be >>> fine, then we're on the same page. >>> >>> Please don't make this into something it's not. Nobody has the >>> authority, or even the desire, to forbid you using certain words. >>> This tool is only intended to point out places where there *might* >>> be a better word choice. >>> >>> -- >>> Rich Bowen - [email protected] >>> @rbowen >>> >> >> -- Rich Bowen - [email protected] @rbowen
