Hi Alejandro,

From: Alejandro Lucero [mailto:alejandro.luc...@netronome.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:59 AM
To: Liang, Cunming <cunming.li...@intel.com>; dev <dev@dpdk.org>
Cc: Richardson, Bruce <bruce.richard...@intel.com>; Lu, Xiuchun 
Subject: Re: [dpdk-techboard] A new bus for mediated devices

Hi Steve,

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 2:19 PM Liang, Cunming 
<cunming.li...@intel.com<mailto:cunming.li...@intel.com>> wrote:
Hi Alejandro,

Good to know we have common interest in DPDK native mdev support.

We’re working on something which mdev based PMD driver is part of. It was going 
to collect others’ interest & feedback on DPDK summit before we start upstream 

Which DPDK summit do you refer to? the last one is Santa Jose in December?
[LC] Yes, it is. You can find it from the link 

There was a few considerations.

-          VT-d Spec 3.0 is publish, but no platform available to support even 
PCIe device might have the ability

-          Except Intel, not sure other network IHVs is going to design their 
device by the new spec.

-          w/o available platform, it only supports singleton mdev instance per 
parent device

-          even in singleton mdev support, it requires IOMMU aware mediate 
device which is WIP in kernel

Yes, I know this is new stuff and it will not be usable as I have previously 
commented by now, but I think this is going to be really important in the near 
future. It adds a lot of flexibility for creating ad-hoc net devices to be used 
by VMs.
[LC] Fully agree.

In our initial case, we just need one mdev per parent device, and the IOMMU 
mapping would be managed by the parent device after the proper ioctl call from 
user space (NFP PMD for mediated device).
[LC] I see, so essentially it’s singleton mdev instance base on IOMMU & SR-IOV 
platform. It requires mdev being capable to use parent device’ IOMMU domain, 
which does WIP. There’s no extra platform need by this usage, it’s good.

For these reason, we hold on the upstream effort on DPDK side.

I understand. However, I think this should be discussed asap and to figure out 
which is what is needed. When implementing the mdev bus for DPDK myself, I 
found the mdev interface is so flexible (or maybe undefined), it is not clear 
how it should be done.

I’m actually quite interest in your use case, what’s the benefit you’re looking 
forward for kernel vfio mdev. If you don’t mind, could you share with us?

We need to use the PF and VFs in user space, this is DPDK, and the VF creation 
is not possible when PF is bound to the VFIO driver (vfio-pci). Mu idea is just 
to create a mediated device for allowing this, with the kernel driver helping 
with mmaping the right BAR areas. After that, the PMD will work almost as 
current NFP PMD, although certain things like link up/down or getting extended 
stats will be through the kernel netdev.
[LC] Yeah, it separates device control and packet I/O, which is the most 
straight forward benefit introduced by mdev. It’s definitely a good usage as 
you mentioned.

Our initial minimum goals to DPDK native mdev support,

-          scan/probe/… kernel mdev bus sysfs

-          keep consistent vfio uapi in DPDK

-          reuse/unmodified any existing PMD previous built for pci bus

This last point seems quite complicated if not impossible, at least in our case.
[LC] That’s for case having exact the same device function but only being 
different on the granularity (e.g. number of queue-pairs). It sucks to have a 
duplicated PMD just for mdev bus.
It’s not your case, which is good to build from scratch a lightweight PMD and 
preserve the device control by kernel.

We had patch set base on DPDK 18.05 and haven’t rebased yet to main stream, 
which includes

-          intro new rte_mdev_bus for kernel mdev bus

-          intro new rte_mdev_driver for ‘vfio-pci’ mdev type

(allows to register other bus driver according to mdev type -- ‘device_api’)

-          whitelist & blacklist uuid support

-          a pci vfio change to map resource according to general sysfs

Good. I have almost a mdev bus driver implemented and a specific NFP PMD for a 
NFP mediated device. But I have been working for the shake of probing this as 
an option for our purposes. Of course, my idea was to work on a full mdev 
support for DPDK so that was the reason of my email to the techboard.
[LC] The goal is fully aligned. Mdev is much easier to manage the device 
lifecycle, is able to support different bus layout (e.g. pci, platform, ccw) 
and etc. We’d like DPDK mdev enabling preserve most of the benefits.

Knowing you have been working on this longer than me, and likely having a more 
complete implementation, I will not try to duplicate work here, and I hope I 
can contribute to the final implementation once I see your design.
[LC] That’s great. We’ll initialize a RFC, your input from different view would 
be really helpful, looking forward to the collaboration.




From: techboard [mailto:techboard-boun...@dpdk.org] On Behalf Of Alejandro 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:29 PM
To: techbo...@dpdk.org<mailto:techbo...@dpdk.org>
Subject: [dpdk-techboard] A new bus for mediated devices

Hi all,

I think there is none working on supporting mediated devices within DPDK. I am 
working on this for solving a requirement we have in Netronome but apart from 
that, I think it is something we are going to need in DPDK sooner or later.

Because it is a really new interface and the way a mediated device can be 
created is really flexible, the proper way to support it should be broadly 
discussed. My plan is to send a RFC where the mdev bus is implemented along 
with a new Netronome's PMD supporting Netronome's mediated devices created by 
Netronome's kernel driver. Having an example of a mdev device will help.

The reason for this email is twofold:

1) To be sure there is no other person working on supporting mdev inside the 
DPDK community, just for avoiding duplicate work. I found some presentations 
describing this interface in userspace  but I have found no patch related nor 
RFC regarding DPDK.

2) To inform the techboard about my intentions and to introduce the mdev 
interface for those not aware of it yet.

If you consider it would be good to discuss this in next techboard meeting, it 
will be a pleasure to attend.



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