Hi Thomas,

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> From: Thomas Monjalon <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 2:24 PM
> To: Yigit, Ferruh <[email protected]>; Trahe, Fiona 
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> Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/4] add AESNI-MB rawdev for multi-function 
> processing
> 
> 14/04/2020 15:04, Trahe, Fiona:
> > > 14/04/2020 12:21, Ferruh Yigit:
> > >
> http://inbox.dpdk.org/dev/[email protected]
> > > mprd11.prod.outlook.com/
> > >
> > > I am not convinced.
> > > I don't like rawdev in general.
> > > Rawdev is good only for hardware support which cannot be generic
> > > like SoC, FPGA management or DMA engine.
> >
> > [Fiona] CRC and BIP are not crypto algorithms, they are error detection 
> > processes.
> > So there is no class in DPDK that these readily fit into.
> > There was resistance to adding another xxxddev, and even if one had been 
> > added
> > for error_detection_dev, there would still have been another layer needed
> > to couple this with cryptodev. Various proposals for this have been 
> > discussed on the ML
> > in RFC and recent patches, there doesn't seem to be an appetite for this as 
> > a generic API.
> > So it seems that only Intel has software and hardware engines that provide 
> > this
> > specialised feature coupling. In that case rawdev seems like the most
> > appropriate vehicle to expose this.
> 
> Adding some vendor-specific API is not a good answer.
> It will work in some cases, but it won't make DPDK better.
> What's the purpose of DPDK if it's not solving a common problem
> for different hardware?
[Fiona] Based on that logic rawdev should be deprecated.
But the community has agreed that it has a place.
And the common problem here is device exposure.
With a specialised service on top.


> > > Here the intent is to use rawdev because we don't find a good API.
> > > API defeat is a no-go.
> >
> > [Fiona] It's not that we haven't found a good API, but that there doesn't 
> > seem
> > to be a general requirement for such a specialised API
> 
> There is a requirement to combine features of different classes.
[Fiona] Can you point me to that requirement please?
We suggested it, but did not get community engagement and have 
dropped our generic API requirement, instead focussing on this specialised case.


> In the past, rte_security was an "answer" to this issue with crypto and 
> ethdev.
> This is a real topic, please let's find a generic elegant solution.


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