Hi Mike,

Earlier on, there were two approaches discussed:

1. Using a Daffodil schema to map to a Drill schema, and use Drill's
existing schema mechanisms for all of Drill's existing input formats.
2. Using a Daffodil-specific reader so that Daffodil does the data parsing.

Some of my earlier answers assumed you were doing option 1. The code shows
you are doing option 2. There are pros and cons, but let's just focus on
option 2 for now.

You need a way for a reader (running on Drillbit 2) to get a schema from a
query (planned on Drillbit 1). How does the Daffodil schema get from Node 1
to Node 2? Charles suggested ZK; I suggested that is not such a great idea,
for a number of reasons. A more "Drill-like" way would be to include the
Daffodil schema in the query plan: either as JSON or as a binary blob. The
planner attaches the schema when creating the reader definition; the reader
deserializes the schema at run time.

I believe you said schemas can be large. So, you could instead serialize a
reference. To do that, you'd need a location visible to all Drill nodes:
HDFS, S3, web server, etc. A crude-but-effective approach to get started is
the one mentioned for Drill's own metadata: the schema must reside in the
same directory as the data. This opens up issues with update race
conditions, as noted earlier. But, it could work if you are "careful." If
there is a Daffodil schema server, that would be better.

Given all that, your DaffodilBatchReader is generally headed in the right
direction. The same is true of DaffodilDrillInfosetOutputter, though, for
performance, you'll want to cache the column readers rather than do
name-based lookups for every column for every row. (Drill is designed to
read billions of rows; that's a lot of lookups!) But, that can be optimized
once things work.

You'll soon be at a place where you'll want to do some debugging. The
S-L-O-W way is to build Drill, fire of a query, and sort out what went
wrong, perhaps attaching a debugger. Another slow way is to fire up a
Drillbit in your test and run a query. (Such a test is a great integration
test, however.)

A good way to debug is to create a test that includes just your reader and
surrounding plumbing. This way, you can set up very specific cases and
easily debug, in a single thread, right from your IDE. The JSON reader
tests may have some examples. Charles may have others.

Thanks,

- Paul

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 4:06 PM Charles Givre <cgi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Got it.  I’ll review today and tomorrow and hopefully we can get you
> unblocked.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 18, 2023, at 18:01, Mike Beckerle <mbecke...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > I am very much hoping someone will look at my open PR soon.
> > https://github.com/apache/drill/pull/2836
> >
> > I am basically blocked on this effort until you help me with one key area
> > of that.
> >
> > I expect the part I am puzzling over is routine to you, so it will save
> me
> > much effort.
> >
> > This is the key area in the DaffodilBatchReader.java code:
> >
> >  // FIXME: Next, a MIRACLE occurs.
> >  //
> >  // We get the dfdlSchemaURI filled in from the query, or a default
> config
> > location
> >  // We get the rootName (or null if not supplied) from the query, or a
> > default config location
> >  // We get the rootNamespace (or null if not supplied) from the query, or
> > a default config location
> >  // We get the validationMode (true/false) filled in from the query or a
> > default config location
> >  // We get the dataInputURI filled in from the query, or from a default
> > config location
> >  //
> >  // For a first cut, let's just fake it. :-)
> >  boolean validationMode = true;
> >  URI dfdlSchemaURI = new URI("schema/complexArray1.dfdl.xsd");
> >  String rootName = null;
> >  String rootNamespace = null;
> >  URI dataInputURI = new URI("data/complexArray1.dat");
> >
> >
> > I imagine this is just a few lines of code to grab these from the query,
> > and i don't even care about config files for now.
> >
> > I gave up on trying to figure out how to do this myself. It was actually
> > quite unclear from looking at the other format plugins. The way Drill
> does
> > configuration is obviously motivated by the distributed architecture
> > combined with pluggability, but all that combined with the negotation
> over
> > schemas which extends into runtime, and it all became quite muddy to me.
> I
> > think what I need is super straightforward, so i figured I should just
> > ask.
> >
> > This is just to get enough working (against local files only) that I can
> be
> > unblocked on creating and testing the rest of the Daffodil-to-Drill
> > metadata bridge and data bridge.
> >
> > My plan is to get all kinds of data and queries working first but just
> > against local-only files.  Fixing it to work in distributed Drill can
> come
> > later.
> >
> > -mikeb
> >
> >> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 2:11 PM Paul Rogers <par0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Charles,
> >>
> >> The persistent store is just ZooKeeper, and ZK is known to work poorly
> as
> >> a distributed DB. ZK works great for things like tokens, node
> registrations
> >> and the like. But, ZK scales very poorly for things like schemas (or
> query
> >> profiles or a list of active queries.)
> >>
> >> A more scalable approach may be to cache the schemas in each Drillbit,
> >> then translate them to Drill's format and include them in each Scan
> >> operator definition sent to each execution Drillbit. That solution
> avoids
> >> race conditions when the schemas change while a query is in flight. This
> >> is, in fact, the model used for storage plugin definitions. (The storage
> >> plugin definitions are, in fact, stored in ZK, but tend to be small and
> few
> >> in number.)
> >>
> >> - Paul
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 7:51 AM Charles Givre <cgi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Mike,
> >>> I hope all is well.  I remembered one other piece which might be useful
> >>> for you.  Drill has an interface called a PersistentStore which is
> used for
> >>> storing artifacts such as tokens etc.  I've uesd it on two occasions:
> in
> >>> the GoogleSheets plugin and the Http plugin.  In both cases, I used it
> to
> >>> store OAuth user tokens which need to be preserved and shared across
> >>> drillbits, and also frequently updated.  I was thinking that this
> might be
> >>> useful for caching the DFDL schemata.  If you take a look here:
> >>>
> https://github.com/apache/drill/blob/master/contrib/storage-http/src/main/java/org/apache/drill/exec/store/http/oauth/AccessTokenRepository.java
> ,
> >>>
> >>>
> https://github.com/apache/drill/tree/master/exec/java-exec/src/main/java/org/apache/drill/exec/oauth
> .
> >>> and here
> >>>
> https://github.com/apache/drill/blob/master/contrib/storage-http/src/main/java/org/apache/drill/exec/store/http/HttpStoragePlugin.java
> ,
> >>> you can see how I used that.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> -- C
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 13, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Mike Beckerle <mbecke...@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Very helpful.
> >>>>
> >>>> Answers to your questions, and comments are below:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 5:14 PM Charles Givre <cgi...@gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:cgi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>> HI Mike,
> >>>>> I hope all is well.  I'll take a stab at answering your questions.
> >>> But I have a few questions as well:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1.  Are you writing a storage or format plugin for DFDL?  My thinking
> >>> was that this would be a format plugin, but let me know if you were
> >>> thinking differently
> >>>>
> >>>> Format plugin.
> >>>>
> >>>>> 2.  In traditional deployments, where do people store the DFDL
> >>> schemata files?  Are they local or accessible via URL?
> >>>>
> >>>> Schemas are stored in files, or in jar files created when packaging a
> >>> schema project. Hence URI is the preferred identifier for them.  They
> are
> >>> not retrieved remotely or anything like that. It's a matter of whether
> they
> >>> are in jars on the classpath, directories on the classpath, or just a
> file
> >>> location.
> >>>>
> >>>> The source-code of DFDL schemas are often created using other schemas
> >>> as components, so a single "DFDL schema" may have parts that come from
> 5
> >>> jar files on the classpath e.g., 2 different header schemas, a library
> >>> schema, and the "main" schema that assembles them all.  Inside schemas
> they
> >>> refer to each other via xs:include or xs:import, and the schemaLocation
> >>> attribute takes a URI to the location of the included/imported schema
> and
> >>> those URIs are interpreted this same way we would want Drill to
> identify
> >>> the location of a schema.
> >>>>
> >>>> However, really people will want to pre-compile any real non-toy/test
> >>> DFDL schemas into binary ".bin" files for faster loading. Otherwise
> >>> Daffodil schema compilation time can be excessive (minutes for large
> DFDL
> >>> schemas - for example the DFDL schema for VMF is 180K lines of DFDL).
> >>> Compiled schemas live in exactly 1 file (relatively small. The compiled
> >>> form of VMF schema is 8Mbytes). So the path given for schema in Drill
> sql
> >>> query, or in the config wants to be allowed to be either a compiled
> schema
> >>> or a source-code schema (.xsd) this latter mostly being for test,
> training,
> >>> and toy examples that we would compile on-the-fly.
> >>>>
> >>>>> To get the DFDL schema file or URL we have a few options, all of
> which
> >>> revolve around setting a config variable.  For now, let's just say
> that the
> >>> schema file is contained in the same folder as the data.  (We can make
> this
> >>> more sophisticated later...)
> >>>>
> >>>> It would make life difficult if the schemas and test data must be
> >>> co-resident. Most schema projects have these in entirely separate
> >>> sub-trees. Schema will be under src/main/resources/..../xsd, compiled
> >>> schema would be under target/... and test data under
> >>> src/test/resources/.../data
> >>>>
> >>>> For now I think the easiest thing is just we get two URIs. One is for
> >>> the data, one is for the schema. We access them via
> >>> getClass().getResource().
> >>>>
> >>>> We should not worry about caching or anything for now. Once the above
> >>> works for a decent scope of tests we can worry about making it more
> >>> convenient to have a library of schemas at one's disposal.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here's what you have to do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1.  In the formatConfig file, define a String called 'dfdlSchema'.
> >>> Note... config variables must be private and final.  If they aren't it
> can
> >>> cause weird errors that are really difficult to debug.  For some
> reference,
> >>> take a look at the Excel plugin.  (
> >>>
> https://github.com/apache/drill/blob/master/contrib/format-excel/src/main/java/org/apache/drill/exec/store/excel/ExcelFormatConfig.java
> >>> )
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Setting a config variable there will allow a user to set a global
> >>> schema definition.  This can also be configured individually for
> various
> >>> workspaces.  So let's say you had PCAP files in one workspace, you
> could
> >>> globally set the DFDL file for that and then another workspace which
> has
> >>> some other file, you could create another DFDL plugin instance for
> that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ok, so the above lets me play with Drill and one schema by default. Ok
> >>> for using Drill to explore data, and useful for testing.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now, this is all fine and good, but a user might also want to define
> >>> the schema file at query time.  The good news is that Drill allows you
> to
> >>> do that via the table() function.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> This would allow real data-integration queries against multiple
> >>> different DFDL-described data sources. Needed for a compelling demo.
> >>>>
> >>>>> So let's say that we want to use a different schema file than the
> >>> default, we could do something like this:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> SELECT ....
> >>>>> FROM table(dfs.dfdl_workspace.`myfile` (type=>'dfdl',
> >>> dfdlSchema=>'path_to_schema')
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Take a look at the Excel docs (
> >>>
> https://github.com/apache/drill/blob/master/contrib/format-excel/README.md
> )
> >>> which demonstrate how to write queries like that.  I believe that the
> >>> parameters in the table function take higher precedence than the
> parameters
> >>> from the config.  That would make sense at least.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Perfect. I'll start with this.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2.  Now that we have the schema file, the next thing would be to
> >>> convert that into a Drill schema.  Let's say that we have a function
> called
> >>> dfdlToDrill that handles the conversion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What you'd have to do is in the constructor for the BatchReader,
> you'd
> >>> have to set the schema there.  So pseudo code:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> public DFDLBatchReader(DFDLReaderConfig, EasySubScan scan,
> >>> FileSchemaNegotiator negotiator) {
> >>>>>     // Other stuff...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     // Get Drill schema from DFDL
> >>>>>     TupleMetadata schema = dfldToDrill(<dfdl schema file);
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     // Here's the important part
> >>>>>     negotiator.tableSchema(schema, true);
> >>>>> }
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The negotiator.tableSchema() accepts two args, a TupleMetadata and a
> >>> boolean as to whether the schema is final or not.  Once this schema has
> >>> been added to the negotiator object, you can then create the writers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> That negotiator.tableSchema() is ideal. I was hoping that this was
> >>> going to be the only place the metadata had to be given to drill.
> >>> Excellent.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Take a look here...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> drill/contrib/format-excel/src/main/java/org/apache/drill/exec/store/excel/ExcelBatchReader.java
> >>> at 2ab46a9411a52f12a0f9acb1144a318059439bc4 · apache/drill
> >>>>> github.com
> >>>>> <
> >>>
> https://github.com/apache/drill/blob/2ab46a9411a52f12a0f9acb1144a318059439bc4/contrib/format-excel/src/main/java/org/apache/drill/exec/store/excel/ExcelBatchReader.java#L199
> >drill/contrib/format-excel/src/main/java/org/apache/drill/exec/store/excel/ExcelBatchReader.java
> >>> at 2ab46a9411a52f12a0f9acb1144a318059439bc4 · apache/drill <
> >>>
> https://github.com/apache/drill/blob/2ab46a9411a52f12a0f9acb1144a318059439bc4/contrib/format-excel/src/main/java/org/apache/drill/exec/store/excel/ExcelBatchReader.java#L199
> >>>>
> >>>>> github.com <
> >>>
> https://github.com/apache/drill/blob/2ab46a9411a52f12a0f9acb1144a318059439bc4/contrib/format-excel/src/main/java/org/apache/drill/exec/store/excel/ExcelBatchReader.java#L199
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I see Paul just responded so I'll leave you with this.  If you have
> >>> additional questions, send them our way.  Do take a look at the Excel
> >>> plugin as I think it will be helpful.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Yes, I've found the JsonLoaderImpl.readBatch() method, and Daffodil
> can
> >>> work similarly.
> >>>>
> >>>> This will take me a few more days to get to a pull request. The first
> >>> one will be initial review, i.e., not intended to merge without more
> tests.
> >>> Probably it will support only integer data fields, but should support
> lots
> >>> of data shapes including vectors, choices, sequences, nested records,
> etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for the help.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 2:58 PM, Mike Beckerle <mbecke...@apache.org
> >>> <mailto:mbecke...@apache.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So when a data format is described by a DFDL schema, I can generate
> >>>>>> equivalent Drill schema (TupleMetadata). This schema is always
> >>> complete. I
> >>>>>> have unit tests working with this.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To do this for a real SQL query, I need the DFDL schema to be
> >>> identified on
> >>>>>> the SQL query by a file path or URI.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Q: How do I get that DFDL schema File/URI parameter from the SQL
> >>> query?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Next, assuming I have the DFDL schema identified, I generate an
> >>> equivalent
> >>>>>> Drill TupleMetadata from it. (Or, hopefully retrieve it from a
> cache)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What objects do I call, or what classes do I have to create to make
> >>> this
> >>>>>> Drill TupleMetadata available to Drill so it uses it in all the
> ways a
> >>>>>> static Drill schema can be useful?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I just need pointers to the code that illustrate how to do this.
> >>> Thanks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Mike Beckerle
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 12:13 AM Paul Rogers <par0...@gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:par0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mike,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is a complex question and has two answers.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> First, the standard enhanced vector framework (EVF) used by most
> >>> readers
> >>>>>>> assumes a "pull" model: read each record. This is where the next()
> >>> comes
> >>>>>>> in: readers just implement this to read the next record. But, the
> >>> code
> >>>>>>> under EVF works with a push model: the readers write to vectors,
> and
> >>> signal
> >>>>>>> the next record. EVF translates the lower-level push model to the
> >>>>>>> higher-level, easier-to-use pull model. The best example of this is
> >>> the
> >>>>>>> JSON reader which uses Jackson to parse JSON and responds to the
> >>>>>>> corresponding events.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You can thus take over the task of filling a batch of records. I'd
> >>> have to
> >>>>>>> poke around the code to refresh my memory. Or, you can take a look
> >>> at the
> >>>>>>> (quite complex) JSON parser, or the EVF itself to see what it does.
> >>> There
> >>>>>>> are many unit tests that show this at various levels of
> abstraction.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Basically, you have to:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> * Start a batch
> >>>>>>> * Ask if you can start the next record (which might be declined if
> >>> the
> >>>>>>> batch is full)
> >>>>>>> * Write each field. For complex fields, such as records,
> recursively
> >>> do the
> >>>>>>> start/end record work.
> >>>>>>> * Mark the record as complete.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You should be able to map event handlers to EVF actions as a
> result.
> >>> Even
> >>>>>>> though DFDL wants to "drive", it still has to give up control once
> >>> the
> >>>>>>> batch is full. EVF will then handle the (surprisingly complex) task
> >>> of
> >>>>>>> finishing up the batch and returning it as the output of the Scan
> >>> operator.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - Paul
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 6:30 PM Mike Beckerle <
> mbecke...@apache.org
> >>> <mailto:mbecke...@apache.org>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Daffodil parsing generates event callbacks to an InfosetOutputter,
> >>> which
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> analogous to a SAX event handler.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Drill is expecting an iterator style of calling next() to advance
> >>> through
> >>>>>>>> the input, i.e., Drill has the control thread and expects to do
> pull
> >>>>>>>> parsing. At least from the code I studied in the format-xml
> contrib.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Is there any alternative? Before I dig into creating another one
> of
> >>> these
> >>>>>>>> co-routine-style control inversions (which have proven to be
> >>> problematic
> >>>>>>>> for performance.
> >>>
> >>>
>

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