Hi,

On 28.05.2010 07:40, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> It seems there is a consensus to move Karaf as a TLP, at least amongst
> people involved in Karaf (the other felix committers haven't really
> expressed any opinion).

I haven't expressed, since I am mixed emotions...

Maybe it is really best to have Karaf be a TLP.

> 
> I think the next steps would be to draft a proposed resolution to the board,
> which would include:
>   * the project goal
>   * the project PMC (including the chair)
> 
> In order to create an open community from the start, I'd like to invite
> anyone with an Apache account willing to contribute to Karaf to raise hands
> so that we can build this list.  I don't think opening it wider for now
> would be wise, but I do thing we should have a very low entry bar for
> committership (but that can be discussed later).
> 
> I'll try to come up with a proposal for Karaf's project goal asap, but
> anyone is welcome to give it a try and propose some wording.
> 
> FWIW, it would like the following, we just need to fill the XXXX:
> 
>        WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>        interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>        Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>        Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>        open-source software related to a machine learning platform
-------------------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Really ? ;-)

>        for distribution at no charge to the public.
> 
>        NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>        Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Karaf Project",
>        be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>        Foundation; and be it further
> 
>        RESOLVED, that the Apache Karaf Project be and hereby is
>        responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>        related to XXXXXXX; and be it further
> 
>        RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Karaf" be
>        and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>        serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>        of the Apache Karaf Project, and to have primary responsibility
>        for management of the projects within the scope of
>        responsibility of the Apache Karaf Project; and be it further
> 
>        RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>        hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>        Apache Karaf Project:
> 
>          * xxx <[email protected]>>
>          * ...
> 
>        NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that XXXXX

Do you want to discuss this on private@ or is there a single candidate,
we can applaude into taking this position ?

>        be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Karaf, to
>        serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>        Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>        death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>        or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> 
>        RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Karaf PMC be and hereby is
>        tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>        encourage open development and increased participation in the
>        Apache Mahout Project; and be it further

Well, this is of course not Mahout. And: Is this paragraph required. I
might remember, that this is not the case any longer.

> 
>        RESOLVED, that the Apache Karaf Project be and hereby
>        is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>        Felix Karaf sub-project; and be it further
> 
>        RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>        Felix Karaf sub-project encumbered upon the
>        Apache Felix Project are hereafter discharged.
> 

Otherwise +1

Regards
Felix

> 
> 
> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:20, Guillaume Nodet <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Karaf has been brought into the Felix TLP nearly one year ago.
>> Things have not been too bad, but I still see the karaf community as
>> being very disjoint from the other felix community, as it looks that none
>> of the existing felix committers did really get involved in Karaf.  I
>> really
>> don't blame anyone, i think it's just that the interest are not the same
>> (not sure
>> where they actually diverge though).
>> I don't really see what benefit Karaf would have in continuing being part
>> of Felix, so
>> I'd like to open the discussion about moving it to a TLP.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
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>>
>>
>>
> 
> 

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