Hello Guillaume,
On 11 Mar 2015 at 10:11:01, Guillaume Nodet ([email protected]) wrote:

2015-03-11 9:51 GMT+01:00 Marcel Offermans <[email protected]>: 

> Guillaume, all, I am a bit confused here. 
> 
> First of all, I doubt that you are allowed to “modify” a vote that is 
> ongoing. People voted on a set of artifacts, if you modify that set, you 
> need to start a new vote. Also, the subject and this message still refers 
> to the gogo-runtime 0.16.0, so you did not even completely remove that from 
> this vote, causing more confusion. 

The other artifacts have not changed at all, so while the set of artifacts 
to release is changed, the artifacts have not. I don't see why the vote 
for artifacts that have not been removed or changed would become invalid. 

That would be the case if the artifacts were not really independent, but in 
this case, I could have started several votes and the result would have 
been the same (with I agree, less confusion). 
Formally, I don’t think it matters. If you group source code in a single vote, 
you simply cannot remove parts of it from the vote and continue. Of course I 
understand these are different bundles, but that, at least in my opinion, does 
not matter. I also don’t see anything documenting such a procedure in our or 
Apache’s general release guide. That is why I am asking for clarification and 
opinions of others about this.

> I would be in favor of a completely new vote on these artifacts, but I’m 
> happy to hear what others think about this. 

I've sent an email with the result of the vote already and they have been 
published. 
I suppose that you either missed that, or you're talking about a future 
policy. 
I did see that, but I don’t think the procedure was correct, or at least I 
would like some other PMC members or committers to comment on this. So we can 
either change our release guide to specifically allow this, or agree that we 
don’t in which case we can discuss what to do, if anything, with artifacts that 
we accidentally released.

I think the confusion comes from me launching a single vote for multiple 
independent artifacts. We could avoid that in the future if that causes 
too much confusion. 
I agree that’s where the confusion starts. We have no such concept in our 
procedures that defines “independent artifacts” so whatever you decide to 
group, that is what you vote on and that vote either passes, or it does not. 
It’s a trade-off you have to decide on when preparing the release. The more you 
group, the less work you have, but the higher the chance that something is 
wrong and you have to redo everything again.

Greetings, Marcel



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