With most of the projects showing negligible or no activity at all for about an year, the fineract-cn project looks so close to being looked upon as an abandoned beast. And because the difficulties one has to go through to tame this beast, not many people get to enjoy the real beauty it really is. With our work, we hope to make a difference to this current state of the project and to attract more people into getting to know the project and make contributions by making it easier for them so that we can steer the project towards a more mature, stable, complete and releasable version.
Currently, the fineract-cn project is no different from its predecessor when it comes to upgradation. The projects were not actively upgraded to latest versions of spring boot incrementally, and so it becomes a bit harder to maintain over time, is not able to reap the benefits of newer versions of Spring Boot and this also increases learning curve for newcomers because most of them come in just after learning technology which is relevant when they’re trying to make an entry. We’re planning to tackle this by migrating the fineract-cn group of projects over to a Jhipter base. By doing this, even if minor incremental upgrades are not done, someone could carry out an upgradation process just by following the Jhipter upgrade process. The Jhipster ecosystem is actively under development and improved and so, by being able to follow them means being able to stay relevant in terms of technology stack rather than just being able to upgrade Spring Boot itself. By migrating over to Jhipster, we also aim to make it easier for someone who’s interested in improving fineract-cn – it’d be as easy as generating a new jhipster project and registering it with Jhipster registry(It is a Eureka server which also packs a spring cloud config server and many other features), with as less fineract-cn’ish stuff to be injected into the project. We have come up with a Jhipster blueprint to do these injections for the developers. We have got rid of cassandra in favour of message oriented architecture using Axon because cassandra becomes a point of suffering for someone who’s trying to deploy fineract-cn on a production scale because maintaining a cassandra cluster is a very complex task on its own and will soon turn out to be an expensive option on the infrastructural side(Then its no longer a project where MFIS can use). On top of all these we’re also making some improvements in the architecture of fineract-cn, by introducing more flexibility in the ability for a service to register and use a specific database other than Postgres, which is currently being used. For example, if a service decides to use Neo4J and not use postgres at all, it can very well go ahead and do this. This is currently a point where developers are being restricted. We’re not saying that every service needs to use a different database, which would soon grow to be unmanageable, but to give it a room for flexibility when there is a need. Eventually we can decide which version to go with if this a fork then be it. Thanks On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:35 AM James Dailey <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Saransh - > > It's generally a good idea to: > A) bring ideas to the community for consideration, && > B) to have the approach that builds on what the community is already > investing time in doing, or... > C) to argue in a cogent way, how your approach, whilst a departure from > the existing, is better. > > These A,B,C's seem normative. > > So, speaking as a member of this group, I'm trying to understand: what you > are proposing? > > Is this a significant revamp of the fineract-CN microservices > architecture? > > Is this proposal coming from you as a potential contribution to > fineract-CN? > Are you proposing a new fineract project compliant w Apache licenses? > > Is this marketing of company services for implementation of fineract in a > particular way? Or a code fork ? > > Could you please clarify onlist? > > Thanks. > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 9:33 PM Saransh Sharma <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Usually any open source project , typically should have multiple >> implementations (in case of Linux or Bitcoin) now it's up to the user which >> version they wish to use. We are proposing this new architecture in the >> coming Apache con, before that we would like to share our progress with >> Community before we actually reveal all the details. >> >> Some steps now in the future involves like >> >> 1. Dry test of the functional feature , we have recently finished >> accounting migration >> 2. Identity and consumer service with deposit account management test run. >> >> In my opinion, @Awasum Yannick <[email protected]> should join the >> discussion too. >> >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 6:27 AM Michael Vorburger <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I'm not entirely sure what this thread is about. >>> >>> If this discusses a new project ("Finscale" ?) hosted on >>> https://github.com/muellners/, then I must join Awasum in expressing >>> reservations about a non Apache project being discussed on the >>> [email protected] mailing list. >>> >>> If this is a discussion about possible future architectural evolution of >>> the Apache Fineract CN project (despite the linked GDoc stating "Fineract >>> CN is history and is slowly moving towards extinction." ?), then I guess >>> it's fine. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 6:58 PM Saransh Sharma <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Here is the meeting recording for folks who wish to watch the event. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1atM7mG4Nec2fNd9alDWrsOt9Mqqt-FEZ/view?usp=sharing >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 4:06 PM Saransh Sharma <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Here is the meeting link feel free to join. >>>>> >>>>> https://meet.google.com/koa-thmo-abq?authuser=0 >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 3:43 PM Saransh Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Anyone willing to join let me know now, i will add them to the >>>>>> RSVP list. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ankit Muellner <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> @Awasum, >>>>>>> I think the relevant Gdoc is a work in progress discussion document >>>>>>> (something like a pre meeting note or objective discussion notes) not a >>>>>>> technical wiki document. (This means such a document does not require >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> open source character.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is an OSS usage and delivery policy here >>>>>>> <https://docs.muellners.info/open-source-policies/open-source-usage-and-delivery-policies> >>>>>>> regarding >>>>>>> this branched project's development, consistent with Apache Fineract >>>>>>> project. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We must remember that the current documentation of Fineract requires >>>>>>> revamp(as is true for any documentation standards) and we should not >>>>>>> further make these writeups more complicated by adding anything non >>>>>>> substantial(e.g this Gdoc). This is one suggestion I have for the >>>>>>> current >>>>>>> PMC team and specifically You. >>>>>>> We must avoid creating a heavy non sequential wiki. I understand we >>>>>>> have a Lazy consensus in place but for certain key objectives e.g >>>>>>> Fineract >>>>>>> CN upgrade, broader modules etc, this community requires a Workflow for >>>>>>> addition of write ups to its wiki. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are right once the associated documentation for this thread >>>>>>> reaches maturity, we i.e Muellners should be adding them to Fineract >>>>>>> wiki >>>>>>> just like everyone else i.e >>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FINERACT/Fineract+Home >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope this clarifies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 10:48 AM Awasum Yannick < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Saransh, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 6:40 AM Saransh Sharma < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey , Devs and Partners >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We are back with more updates and planning to host yet another >>>>>>>>> session of Fineract CN Updates >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. Last time we discussed product upgrade documentation (Which is >>>>>>>>> in place >>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TQox0fQvQexMFj2gX6Si74osKrT5mcIGoYd-mWp3hrc/edit# >>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This GDoc is not openly available to everyone. Is this private to >>>>>>>> your company or is it for the Fineract Open Source Community? If we >>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>> request for access before viewing the doc then that is not really Open >>>>>>>> Source. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Will you be comfortable sharing your notes on Fineract Wiki: >>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FINERACT/Fineract+Home >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What libraries have you all upgraded? And have you sent PRs on our >>>>>>>> Apache Fineract CN repos? Or is this something completely private or >>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>> Open Sourced under your company Org? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. Migrating services quicker then before (We might give some >>>>>>>>> walkthrough) >>>>>>>>> 3. We would be focusing on today's call : Migration from Fineract >>>>>>>>> 1.x to CN where we use the existing functional feature in CN. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is there a repo for the above? Or a PR already opened on Fineract >>>>>>>> repos? Or is this just an idea? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4. Developer Perspectives >>>>>>>>> 5. Deployment Scenario >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks here is the calendar invite join in and lets spread work. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://calendar.google.com/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=M2Yzb3FjZ3ViazhzYWg3NnFxMzVvM2dhbjEgc2FyYW5zaEBtdWVsbG5lcnMub3Jn&tmsrc=saransh%40muellners.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wonder if we can use the Fineract Wiki available here: >>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FINERACT/Fineract+Home to >>>>>>>> document the work we are doing. 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