On Tuesday, September 21, 2021, Sander van der Heyden <sandervanderheyden@ musonisystem.com> wrote:
> Hi Saranash, > > As a first and foremost acknowledgement: my reaction here is on a > completely personal title and unrelated to my company, > What’s your company name ? Requesting you to share would you please ? > this is a core principle of participating in an Apache project. > I think I don’t see any difference as personal or company we are just behind all these names I agree in nutshell ! > Therefore let me remind you: I don't see anyone else constantly doing > plain-out self promotion. I see you critising others of selfpromotion (in a > cobbled together argument) using your foundation with it's directly linked > commercial entities in every other paragraph. > I am entitled to promote myself as you just by virtue of demonstration your own opinions here that evolves or produced through some kind of self an identification of some sort! And I identify by those idea but from a distance ! Foundation is separate entity here if I had plainly promoted my foundation as PMC but that’s not the case ! That’s true actually foundation chapters or legal status is that what defines as is identified . > > While I have personally not been active in the mailinglist or the PMC for > quite some time, I have and am still taking active interest in the state of > the project and keep in active touch with various members in the community. > Spectating the current way things are being discussed and treated on this > mailinglist I cannot get away from perceiving it as an aggressive and > unrespectful way of raising and pushing topics. While I might or might not > agree to some of the contents that are being raised, I want to step > completely beside that point at this stage. > > I see , as once Einstein said , we assume a lot of things on just mere faith and found them to be true , as how Euclideans and classical mechanics thought to be initially for three points on a single line and finding an object in space ! Take a leap here and view it from different perspectives then maybe some clarity will come ! > On the ApacheCon stuff, I firmly disagree with the way you present your > "facts". Fineract has been participating in ApacheCon for a few years and > in that Javier has taken lead quite a few times, similar to the team from > AF itself. While there was therefore no public (or in the PMC for that > matter) vote about him investing his personal time and effort in this, > there was also clearly no objection raised when he called for proposals or > when the topic was publicly discussed. You also raised no concerns on it > either last year when you were late submitting your proposals or this year > until you were (again) late submitting your input. > I think for this reason , let me present you like this , I have now in whole sense all the right as a volunteer to raise an objection now ! Would that help or perhaps it’s too late ? I think according to the Apache way we can definitely raise an objection to an ongoing effort. Clearly any work in this universe requires and effort no doubt or an inch of disrespect ! > > The way your messages on this board are written come accross as > aggressive, disrespectful and short-sighted. Many of the things raised and > discussed (lack of transparency, need for voting tools, external > communication tools like Slack) go directly against the Apache Way ( > http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/). I strongly recommend reading it > carefully and in full (I read that line in some document else today and > thought it was good to start by practicing what you preach!). Therefore a > firm -1 for the PMC self-nomination. > Are you suggesting that as a project we don’t need transparency ? Or voting ? Slack is used by Apache Fineract also don’t you think . Actually as I mentioned earlier , only thing that we are trying as a group is to incorporate tools that can be an extension or add on. Actually , we are suggesting some level of involvement! Maybe words used are not the same that you are used to so perhaps I request that please share how to frame them so that others could understand. I have personally raised certain issues that are : as a financial software we need to make the communications better and maybe if using external tools. I would still remind you that your vote could perhaps raising this community into different dimensions! But I leave rest to you ! > > But instead of all going on the offense, forcing others to be defensive > let's start looking at things from a more positive standpoint in > open-minded spirit and applaude the work that the various active > contributors have been doing. As a community we have had our fair share of > disagreements in the past and yet we are still there! So let us try to > build plans for the future in spirit of the Apache way using and leveraging > the battle-tested and proven lessons and tools (primarly this public > mailinglist) that are there. > This I like 👍! I never did anything offensive to any personal ! Project and project only project! > > So stepping besides the point of this years Apache Con, let's pick up a > chain on the architecture of Fineract following the presentation there. > That is hopefully going to be a nice kick-off to discussing that further > and reaching consensus on it as a community. > Definitely I am up for that , I would like to discuss the potential new ideas and help find them ways ! > > Sander > -- Saransh Sharma Research Partner Sent from my phone This mail is governed by Muellners® IT policy. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. 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