Just be glad Flex is out of Adobe's hands, I just wish the same fate would happen to Flash!! I had predicted the demise of all Macromedia products in the hands of Adobe, not because I'm extra smart (I'm not!!), just my opinion big multi-dimensional companies which are good at managing money but horrible at championing anything. Some of my examples of Adobe playing Ping-Pong and eventually killed/killing apps : 1 Flash Media Server (talk about a moving target and dysfunctional multi personalities and needless purposeful handicapping, and successfully making it an overpriced inferior product) 2. Director 3. Flex 5. Coldfusion (will this be the next one on the Adobe guillotine) 6. Freehand 7. Fireworks (a software still looking for a purpose in life) 8. ???? (fill in the blank) 9. Flash (last on my list because I still think it has a few useful years)
Your platform of choice is like your favorite color, you can reason all you want, but if you're talking to someone who prefers another color, you are preaching to barbarians!! I personally believe Javascript and HTML5 are still very clunky and have many shortfalls, but this is just my opinion and yes I also used them daily, many people have a different opinion, and that's OK!!! But if you like Flex think about contributing something.....!!! Now the Adobe peons are receiving there marching orders and their battle cries will echo their command in chief's carefully worded talking points, don't take their comments too personally or too close to heart, they are not your friends!!! Have no doubts, they are only tools to get a piece of what you have in your handbag or wallet!!! THANK YOU!! to all who are championing and working hard on the Flex project / platform. I'm not stating facts, I'm stating my opinions, but coffee break is over I must get back to work! Cheers!! -----Original Message----- From: Michael Schmalle [mailto:apa...@teotigraphix.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 6:36 AM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: Flash finally dead? I never respond to threads like this but... Flash was dead 2 years ago, if anybody has been reading my rants in the last two years, you would know I have said this. Flex was a framework that tied everything together from an IDE to deployment. What all web technologies have is a language, compiler and target. Do you think any of this is going to change? What Apache has is a language and compiler. Some may hate ActionScript, other may like it. Its a language folks, based on structured OOP that has been proven to manage large enterprise applications better than scripts loosely typed, this is a proven fact. If you ever met me in person you would learn one thing quick, my life doesn't revolve around technology and it doesn't drive my existence. Why does this matter, because if you can put technology in perspective and don't give into the emotional temptation of these "web factions" that exists, you can always create something "better" in the evolutionary chain. The fact is, millions of developers equals thousands of options. Apache Flex is a group that is setting out to make something. I have said it before and will say it again, Apache Flex is not Flex in the sense of what it can be in the future. We have to opportunity to finally "integrate" with the rest of the community instead of trying to "dominate" the community like Adobe did with the Flash Player. You wonder why there was such hatred for Flash? Mike Quoting Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl>: > There are a couple of sub-projects going on that will 'relieve' Apache > Flex from the bonds of the Flash Player, whether it continues to exist > or not (my guess is: there is too much money invested - not only by > Adobe - for it to go soon and go quietly, you're reading too much into > that blog post). > > These projects (FalconJx, FlexJS and VanillaSDK) can all use > contributors. So, if you're interested in preparing Apache Flex for > the "post-Flash" era, join us and help make AS/MXML -> HTML5/JS a > reality sooner rather than later! > > EdB > > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Vincent Sotto <dsreil...@gmail.com> wrote: >> cobol is dead! NOT really... >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Carlos Rovira >> <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com >>> wrote: >> >>> AIR continues in the scope of Adobe, so no worries...for now... >>> >>> 2013/3/6 Frédéric THOMAS <webdoubl...@hotmail.com> >>> >>> > From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on >>> > http://www.bytearray.org/?p=** >>> > 5197 <http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197> Air going to continue for >>> support >>> > new ios and android OSes >>> > >>> > -----Message d'origine----- From: Edouard >>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:39 AM >>> > To: dev@flex.apache.org >>> > Subject: Re: Flash finally dead? >>> > >>> > >>> > just one question >>> > For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but >>> > i used it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the >>> > capabilities of >>> Adobe >>> > air wich allow to make some native extension etc... >>> > What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target >>> > mobile >>> ? >>> > The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app >>> > and >>> reuse >>> > 85% of the code :/ >>> > >>> > >>> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira < >>> > carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and >>> > have >>> >> resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to >>> >> reuse as many as you can. Flex is a great development platform >>> >> nowadays. GWT, JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its >>> >> own flavor. But all people here loves Flex because it fits it's >>> >> needs and thinks is the >>> better >>> >> platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They >>> >> are comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's >>> >> output is dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of >>> >> Flex and make it play in the HTML5 world...and be the best >>> >> *development* platform >>> competing >>> >> with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great >>> >> before in >>> >> *development* terms. >>> >> >>> >> One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you >>> >> all the code, classes and features you need and work >>> >> seamless...while in HTML/JS you must to search for "scripts" and >>> >> libraries that makes different >>> people >>> >> and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many >>> >> time making it to work together. >>> >> >>> >> That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users >>> >> and success in the competition...btw, competition is very good >>> >> and we should not try to be the only one option out there. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <jazzmatad...@gmail.com> >>> >> >>> >> > @Carlos >>> >> > There is no such JS library. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit So if Flex turns out >>> >> > to be another JS cross compiler What would be the benefit of >>> >> > Flex over the above ? >>> >> > That s what i m asking myself. >>> >> > >>> >> > I dont see none. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com**> >>> >> > >>> >> > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to >>> libraries/frameworks/**plataforms >>> >> > > in >>> >> > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML >>> >> > > layout declaration? >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Thanks in advance >>> >> > > >>> >> > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <jazzmatad...@gmail.com> >>> >> > > >>> >> > > > @Carlos >>> >> > > > I agree >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument. >>> >> > > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> compiling >>> >> > > down >>> >> > > > to JS. >>> >> > > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project. >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com**> >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the >>> >> > > > > benefits of >>> >> > > Flex >>> >> > > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and >>> >> > > > > HTML / >>> JS. I >>> >> > > think >>> >> > > > in >>> >> > > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and >>> >> > > > > the >>> new >>> >> > > > framework >>> >> > > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs. >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits >>> >> > > > > that gives us >>> >> > as >>> >> > > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support >>> >> > > > > the >>> >> > platform. >>> >> > > > If >>> >> > > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as >>> >> > > > > they > > >>> >> > > manage >>> >> > to >>> >> > > > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible >>> >> > > > > with HTML >>> >> > > > nowadays). >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support >>> >> > > > > all we >>> had >>> >> in >>> >> > > the >>> >> > > > > flash runtime for my perfect... >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <jazzmatad...@gmail.com> >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline >>> >> > > > > > allready >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > http://topcoat.io/ >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ <a...@binitie.com> >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do >>> >> > > > > > > this by >>> >> > virtue >>> >> > > > of >>> >> > > > > > his >>> >> > > > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and >>> >> > > > > > > push >>> them >>> >> to >>> >> > > > > > projects >>> >> > > > > > > that need evangelizing On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain >>> >> > > > > > > Ekambi" < >>> >> jazzmatad...@gmail.com >>> >> > >>> >> > > > wrote: >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising >>> >> > > JavaScript/HTML >>> >> > > > > then >>> >> > > > > > > you >>> >> > > > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble. >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > Hi, >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a >>> company >>> >> has >>> >> > > no >>> >> > > > > > > control >>> >> > > > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) >>> >> contribute. >>> >> > > > That's >>> >> > > > > > how >>> >> > > > > > > > the >>> >> > > > > > > > > ASF works. >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good >>> >> > > > > > > > > session at >>> >> > > ApacheCon >>> >> > > > > NA >>> >> > > > > > on >>> >> > > > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - >>> >> > > > > > > > > perhaps it >>> >> can >>> >> > > put >>> >> > > > > > things >>> >> > > > > > > > > into perspective? >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/**apachecon/scbttz/< >>> http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/> >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> http://archive.apachecon.com/**na2013/presentations/28-** >>> >> Thursday/Community_Over_code/**14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_** >>> >> when_using_Open_Source-Nick_**Burch.odp< >>> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Commun >>> ity_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nic >>> k_Burch.odp >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > Thanks, >>> >> > > > > > > > > Justin >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > -- >>> >> > > > > Carlos Rovira >>> >> > > > > Director de Tecnología >>> >> > > > > M: +34 607 22 60 05 >>> >> > > > > F: +34 912 94 80 80 >>> >> > > > > http://www.codeoscopic.com http://www.directwriter.es >>> >> > > > > http://www.avant2.es >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > -- >>> >> > > Carlos Rovira >>> >> > > Director de Tecnología >>> >> > > M: +34 607 22 60 05 >>> >> > > F: +34 912 94 80 80 >>> >> > > http://www.codeoscopic.com >>> >> > > http://www.directwriter.es >>> >> > > http://www.avant2.es >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Carlos Rovira >>> >> Director de Tecnología >>> >> M: +34 607 22 60 05 >>> >> F: +34 912 94 80 80 >>> >> http://www.codeoscopic.com >>> >> http://www.directwriter.es >>> >> http://www.avant2.es >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Edouard Bataille >>> > Epita MTI 2008 >>> > Consultant Expert Java Flex >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Carlos Rovira >>> Director de Tecnología >>> M: +34 607 22 60 05 >>> F: +34 912 94 80 80 >>> http://www.codeoscopic.com >>> http://www.directwriter.es >>> http://www.avant2.es >>> > > > > -- > Ix Multimedia Software > > Jan Luykenstraat 27 > 3521 VB Utrecht > > T. 06-51952295 > I. www.ixsoftware.nl > -- Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC http://www.teotigraphix.com http://blog.teotigraphix.com
