Gary, Please try to focus on actual technical issues and let those who want to try, try it. Some people think making Flex/FlexJS popular again is a long shot as well.
I'm not that familiar with WebAssembly, but from what I've read today, I think Josh has hit on the main technical challenge, which is that WebAssembly doesn't appear to let you draw directly to the screen. It sort of reminds me of Alchemy/FlasCC. -Alex On 4/10/17, 7:26 PM, "Gary Yang" <flashflex...@gmail.com> wrote: >Thanks, I would love to see how you can get there, W3C started designing >HTML5 in 2009, Firefox is still making exception for Flash Player now, >maybe you can help them get rid of it and unify the web truly. > >On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Jason Taylor <ja...@dedoose.com> wrote: > >> Gary, do you even have any idea what WebAssembly is? You should check >>out >> some articles on it: >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.c >>om%2FWebAssembly%2Fdesign%2Fblob%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C958771644c3444d5448 >>308d480821d4b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C63627474370530 >>2509&sdata=roF8%2B3Z2KOZAW7NVE8QJ3OSFAraX8ViFl179cVi%2FgJY%3D&reserved=0 >> master/FAQ.md, >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdevelope >>r.mozilla.org%2Fen-US%2Fdocs%2FWebAssembly%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C958771644 >>c3444d5448308d480821d4b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C6362 >>74743705302509&sdata=sf%2FmlA5b%2FvU79NgnjPu1tdhbF3sJ1FAoQahTmV06%2FAc%3D >>&reserved=0 >> Concepts >> >> In a nutshell the browser vendors finally realized that HTML+JS will >>never >> be efficent enough to implement complex software/games in browser, and >>thus >> WebAssembly was born. It was designed by the W3C committee that included >> all the major browser vendors. >> >> Please do yourself a favor and research your opinion before you spread >> mis-information. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gary Yang [mailto:flashflex...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 2:21 PM >> To: dev@flex.apache.org >> Subject: Re: WebAssembly Flash ByPass >> >> 1) It takes a long time to make a powerful system like Flash Player >>stable >> enough, Google Map has been using webGL for a long time, improved a lot >> still crash all the time. >> 2) Politically, none of the major browser vendors would let anything our >> of their control grow bigger anymore, Flash Player is the only >>exception, >> it came too early and too important to the web to be killed. >> >> The only chance to implement high performance application across main >> stream browsers is still Flash with stage3D AGAL, time has proved it, I >> don't the majority get it, when it comes to tech, this is usually it, >>most >> just follow what others say. >> >> Sad haaa? What if spent time in implementing Flex with AGAL from the >>very >> beginning? Flash platform might not be on the hanging edge... >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Josh Tynjala <joshtynj...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > I don't think you can simply compile LightSpark as-is to WebAssembly. >> > I suspect that its rendering code will need serious modification to be >> > able to draw to HTML Canvas or WebGL instead of whatever native APIs >> > it uses now. This part probably wouldn't be trivial. >> > >> > - Josh >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Jason Taylor <ja...@dedoose.com> >>wrote: >> > >> > > Why would we be implementing anything? I'm talking about taking >> > LightSpark >> > > as is (with their 252 open bugs) compiling it to LLVM, using that >> > > input >> > for >> > > the WebAssembly compiler and compiling the output binary as a >> > > LightSpark WebAssembly drop in flash player. This has nothing to do >> > > with the >> > existing >> > > FlexJS work and is merely to allow the existing flash apps to run in >> > > browser, cross platform without a plug-in (such as Safari on iOS). >> Not >> > > quite sure what exactly is so crazy here. Sorry, FlexJS will never >> > > give >> > us >> > > the performance we (Dedoose) need, so extending the life cycle of >> > > the >> > flash >> > > player a couple more years to buy us time for a complete rewrite in >> > > a performant client technology is pretty important to us. >> > > ~ JT >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Gary Yang [mailto:flashflex...@gmail.com] >> > > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 1:46 PM >> > > To: dev@flex.apache.org >> > > Subject: Re: WebAssembly Flash ByPass >> > > >> > > No mean to be offensive, implementing everything in WebAssembly >> > > feels >> > just >> > > like talking about living in Mars, even with HTML/Javascript/CSS >> > regardless >> > > of performance, after so many years ... >> > > >> > > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:18 PM, piotrz <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hi Gary, >> > > > >> > > > Please be tolerant to Jason's opinion and ideas. Apache Flex is an >> > > > open source project and if Jason would like to bring some idea >> > > > here he is very welcome, same as you. >> > > > >> > > > Piotr >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ----- >> > > > Apache Flex PMC >> > > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com >> > > > -- >> > > > View this message in context: http://apache-flex- >> > > > development.2333347.n4.nabble.com/FlexJS-feature-chart-work- >> > > > status-tp61035p61082.html >> > > > Sent from the Apache Flex Development mailing list archive at >> > Nabble.com. >> > > > >> > > >> > >>
