I agree with Kostas and don't see much danger that people get confused. Nevertheless, I will update the history section accordingly.
On 07/07/2015 04:48 PM, Kostas Tzoumas wrote: > I think it is clear to most people that the only official and (hopefully) > up-to-date description of an Apache project is its Apache website, and any > paper can get outdated. Perhaps we can change the link to a more up-to-date > paper when we have one. > > I like the article, thanks Matthias! > > Kostas > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org> wrote: > >> Okay, I wrote a lot there >> >> tl:dr = Let's make sure people understand that the Stratosphere paper does >> not describe Flink. >> >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Matthias J. Sax < >> mj...@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote: >> >>> I can't follow. Stratosphere is only mentioned in the "History" part. Of >>> course, we can strike out "Stratosphere II" and make clear that Flink is >>> a fork on Stratosphere. But that is minor. >>> >>> And adding the Stratosphere papers as a reference, was the requirement >>> to get the article accepted in the first place. Thus, it would not make >>> sense to remove them. Currently, there are no other "reliable and >>> notable" source (in term of Wikipedia guidelines) that can be used as >>> references. >>> >>> Of course, the article is super short and needs to be extended. But the >>> project is moving fast and only "stable" stuff should be on Wikipedia. >>> It is hard enough to keep the project web page up to data. ;) Maybe, we >>> can discuss what should be included and what not. >>> >>> >>> -Matthias >>> >>> >>> >>> On 07/07/2015 04:17 PM, Stephan Ewen wrote: >>>> Thanks, Matthias, for starting this. >>>> >>>> It looks a bit like the article talks more about the Stratosphere >> project >>>> than Flink right now. >>>> I think we need to make a few things clear, to not confuse people: >>>> >>>> 1) Flink != Stratosphere. When looking at the Stratosphere Paper and >> when >>>> looking at Flink, you look at two completely different things. It is >> not >>>> just that a name changed. >>>> >>>> 2) It is not Stratosphere that became an Apache project. The project >> that >>>> became Apache Flink was forked from a subset of the Stratosphere >> project >>>> (core runtime only). That subset covered 1.5 out of the 5 areas of >>>> Stratosphere. >>>> >>>> When Flink became an Apache project, the only features it contained >> that >>>> were developed as part of Stratosphere, were the iterations, and the >>>> optimizer. Everything else had been re-developed. >>>> >>>> 3) Flink has nothing to do with Stratosphere II. Even though that >>> research >>>> project talks about streaming, they have a very different angle to >> that. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am writing this, because we are working heavy on making it easier for >>>> people to grasp what Flink is, and what it is not. >>>> A system with so many features and so much different technology is >> bound >>> to >>>> be hard to grasp. >>>> >>>> The article gives people sources that seemingly describe what Flink is, >>> but >>>> have little to do with what it is. >>>> >>>> >>>> The relationship between Flink and Stratosphere is actually the >>> following: >>>> Flink is based on some research outcomes of Stratosphere (I), and was >>>> bootstrapped from a fork of the Stratosphere code base of late 2013. >> Ever >>>> since, these two have been proceeding independently. >>>> >>>> I would suggest to change the article to clearly reflect that. >> Otherwise, >>>> we will not do Flink a favor, but confuse people. >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> Stephan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Henry Saputra < >> henry.sapu...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nice work indeed! >>>>> >>>>> - Henry >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Chiwan Park <chiwanp...@apache.org> >>> wrote: >>>>>> Great! Nice start. :) >>>>>> The logo is shown now. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Chiwan Park >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Maximilian Michels <m...@apache.org> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cool. Nice work, Matthias, and thanks for starting it off. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Matthias J. Sax < >>>>>>> mj...@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi squirrels, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am happy to announce Flink on Wikipedia: >>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Flink >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Logo Request is still pending, but should be online soon. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Matthias >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >
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