I would publish it, it is definitely better than the old one. On Wed, 8 Jul 2015 at 11:32 Stephan Ewen <[email protected]> wrote:
> So, what do we do with this now? > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Stephan Ewen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > +1 to adding links > > > > In fact, all points should link to some documentation part. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Gyula Fóra <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I think the content is pretty good, much better than before. But the > page > >> structure could be better (and this is very important in my opinion). > >> Now it just looks like a long list of features without any ways to > >> navigate > >> between them. We should probably have something at the top that > summarizes > >> the page. > >> > >> And maybe at the specific points we should add links to other pages (for > >> instance internals pages). > >> > >> Stephan Ewen <[email protected]> ezt írta (időpont: 2015. júl. 7., K, > >> 13:22): > >> > >> > I actually put quite some thought into the structure of the points. > They > >> > reflect pretty much what I observed (meetups and talks) where people > get > >> > excited and what they are missing. > >> > > >> > The structure follows the line of through of "stream processor that > also > >> > does batch very well". And then separate the features as they > >> contribute to > >> > that. > >> > > >> > Intermixing features across their relation to streaming and batch has > >> not > >> > worked out for my presentations at all. It came across that Flink is a > >> > system with a multitude of aspects, but no one in the audience could > >> really > >> > say what Flink is good at in the end, where it stands out. > >> > > >> > The proposed structure makes this very clear: > >> > > >> > - Flink is a kick-ass stream processor (Strongest > differentiation > >> > from all other technology) > >> > - Flink can also do batch very well (It is broadly > applicable > >> > and strong) > >> > - It surfaces nice APIs and rich libraries (Low entry hurdle) > >> > - It plays well with existing technology > >> > > >> > > >> > Stephan > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Fabian Hueske <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > +1 for the clear and brief feature descriptions! > >> > > > >> > > I am not so sure about the structure of the points, especially > >> separating > >> > > "Streaming" and "Batch and Streaming in One System" does not support > >> the > >> > > message of a unified system, IMO. > >> > > > >> > > How about categorizing the points into three sections (Internals, > API, > >> > > Integration) and structuring the points for example as follows: > >> > > > >> > > -- High Performance, Robust Execution, and Fault-tolerance > >> > > High performance > >> > > Continuous Streaming Model with Flow Control > >> > > Fault-tolerance via Lightweight Distributed Snapshots > >> > > Memory Management > >> > > Iterations and Delta Iterations > >> > > > >> > > -- Ease of use, APIs, and Clear Semantics > >> > > One runtime for Streaming and Batch Processing > >> > > Expressive APIs (Batch + Streaming) > >> > > Exactly-once Semantics for Stateful Computations > >> > > Program Optimizer > >> > > Library Ecosystem > >> > > > >> > > -- Integration > >> > > Broad Integration > >> > > > >> > > Cheers, Fabian > >> > > > >> > > 2015-07-07 10:39 GMT+02:00 Till Rohrmann <[email protected]>: > >> > > > >> > > > I also like the new feature page. I better conveys the strong > >> points of > >> > > > Flink, since it's more to the point. > >> > > > > >> > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Stephan Ewen <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks Max! > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Did not even know we had a github mirror of the flink-web > repo... > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Maximilian Michels < > >> [email protected]> > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi Stephan, > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for the feature page update. I think it is much more > >> > > informative > >> > > > > and > >> > > > > > better structured now. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > By the way, you could also open a pull request for your > changes > >> on > >> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pulls > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Cheers, > >> > > > > > Max > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Fabian Hueske < > >> [email protected]> > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I'll be happy to help, eh draw ;-) > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2015-07-06 15:22 GMT+02:00 Stephan Ewen <[email protected]>: > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hi all! > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I think that the "Features" page of the website is a bit > >> out of > >> > > > date. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I made an effort to stub a new one. It is committed under > " > >> > > > > > > features_new.md > >> > > > > > > > " > >> > > > > > > > and not yet built as an HTML page. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If you want to take a look and help building this, pull > the > >> > > > flink-web > >> > > > > > git > >> > > > > > > > repository and build the website locally. You can then > look > >> at > >> > it > >> > > > > > under " > >> > > > > > > > http://localhost:4000/index_new.html"; > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So far, I am happy with the new contents. Three things > >> remain > >> > to > >> > > be > >> > > > > > done: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1) The page misses a figure on Streaming throughput and > >> > latency. > >> > > > > > > Currently, > >> > > > > > > > I am using a figure from some preliminary measurements > made > >> by > >> > > > > Marton. > >> > > > > > > > IIRC, Robert is running some performance tests right now > >> and we > >> > > can > >> > > > > use > >> > > > > > > his > >> > > > > > > > results to create a new figure. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2) The figures could use some love. The concept is good, > but > >> > the > >> > > > > style > >> > > > > > > is a > >> > > > > > > > bit sterile. I was hoping that Fabian would help out with > >> his > >> > > > amazing > >> > > > > > > style > >> > > > > > > > of drawing figures ;-) > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3) More people should have a look and say if we should > >> replace > >> > > the > >> > > > > > > current > >> > > > > > > > "Features" page with this new one > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Greetings, > >> > > > > > > > Stephan > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >
