Looking at the end of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-303  it seems 
that the issue has been (partially) resolved by RocksDB re-licensing under 
Apache V2 and GPL (dual license) but would only take effect for consumers (e.g. 
Flink) after a RocksDB release... so hopefully there isn't too long a time if 
any that RocksDB is not available as a backend for state.

-----Original Message-----
From: John D. Ament [mailto:johndam...@apache.org] 
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 5:46 PM
To: legal-disc...@apache.org; dev@flink.apache.org; ap....@outlook.com; 
priv...@mahout.apache.org
Subject: Re: Facebook BSD+patents license and Apache products

The assertion that Flink is using RocksDB seems to be a bit over stated.

https://github.com/apache/flink/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=rocksdb&type= is how 
Flink uses RocksDB.  It appears that its an optional dependency already, and 
not core to Flink.  What this means is that you shouldn't use the Flink RocksDB 
backend, and Flink will need to remove that contrib module from the ASF based 
sources.

I'll also point out that cross this between public and private lists is 
confusing, and not very ASF friendly.

John

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 5:39 PM Andrew Palumbo <ap....@outlook.com> wrote:

> + dev@flink (if they allow this through moderation.. I'm not 
> + subscribed
> to their list anymore; If not I believe that there are enough Flink 
> PMCs on private@mahout to answer
>
>
> We've stopped shipping the flink binaries as of Mahout 0.13.0:
>
>
> https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.mahout/mahout-flink_2.10
>
>
> Due to some versioning issues IIRC.  Source is all still available for 
> build with or without ViennaCL.
>
>
> Is there anything that needs tom be done from our end?
>
>
> --andy
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Pat Ferrel <p...@occamsmachete.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 15, 2017 2:22:32 PM
> *To:* priv...@mahout.apache.org
> *Cc:* legal-disc...@apache.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: Facebook BSD+patents license and Apache products
>
> Does this mean we have to remove Flink from release binaries By August?
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> As some of you may know, recently the Facebook BSD+patents license has 
> been moved to Category X (https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved#category-x).
> Please see LEGAL-303 [1] for a discussion of this. The license is also 
> referred to as the ROCKSDB license, even though Facebook BSD+patents 
> is its more industry standard name.
>
> This has impacted some projects, to date based on LEGAL-303 and the 
> detective work of Todd Lipcon:
>
> Samza, Flink, Marmotta, Kafka and Bahir
>
> (perhaps more)
>
> Please take notice of the following policy:
>
> o No new project, sub-project or codebase, which has not  used 
> Facebook BSD+patents licensed jars (or similar), are allowed to use  
> them. In other words, if you haven't been using them, you  aren't 
> allowed to start. It is Cat-X.
>
> o If you have been using it, and have done so in a *release*,  you 
> have a temporary exclusion from the Cat-X classification thru  August 
> 31, 2017. At that point in time, ANY and ALL usage  of these Facebook 
> BSD+patents licensed artifacts are DISALLOWED. You must  either find a 
> suitably licensed replacement, or do without.
>  There will be NO exceptions.
>
> o Any situation not covered by the above is an implicit  DISALLOWAL of 
> usage.
>
> Also please note that in the 2nd situation (where a temporary 
> exclusion has been granted), you MUST ensure that NOTICE explicitly 
> notifies the end-user that a Facebook BSD+patents licensed artifact 
> exists. They may not be aware of it up to now, and that MUST be 
> addressed.
>
> If there are any questions, please ask on the legal-discuss@a.o list.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris Mattmann
> VP Legal Affairs
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-303
>
>
>
>

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