Hi Dawid, Thanks for you explanation. You mean that "people who vote for binding +1 need to use apache email addresses". Although I can't vote binding +1, I am +1 for this suggestion.
Best, Jingsong Lee On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 4:04 PM Dawid Wysakowicz <dwysakow...@apache.org> wrote: > Hi all, > > Sorry I think I was not clear enough on my initial e-mail. Let me first > clarify two things and later on try to rephrase my initial suggestion. > > 1. I do not want to count all votes from @apache.org addresses as > binding > 2. I do not want to discourage people that do not have @apache.org > address from voting > 3. What I said does not change anything for non-committers/non-PMCs > > What I meant is that if you are a committer/PMC please use an apache.org > address because then the person that summarizes the votes can check in the > apache directory if a person with that address is a committer/PMC in flink > project. Otherwise if a committer uses a different address there is no way > to check if that person is a committer/PMC or not. It does not mean though > that if you vote from apache.org this vote is automatically binding. It > just allows us to check if it is. > > To elaborate on Xuefu's example. It's absolutely fine for you to use an > apache address for voting. I will still check if you are a committer or > not. But take me (or any other committer) for example. If I use my > non-apache address for a vote and the person verifying the vote does not > know me and my address, it is not easy for that person to verify if I am a > committer or not. > > Also it does not mean that other people are not allowed to vote. You can > vote from other addresses, but those votes will be counted as non-binding. > This does not change anything for non-committers/non-PMC. However if you > are a committer and vote from non apache address your vote will be > non-binding, because we cannot verify you are indeed a committer (we might > don't know your other address). > > I agree the additional information (binding, non-binding) in a vote helps, > but it still should be verified. People make mistakes. > > I hope this clears it up a bit. > > Best, > > Dawid > On 04/12/2019 04:58, Dian Fu wrote: > > Thanks Dawid for start this discussion. > > I have the same feeling with Xuefu and Jingsong. Besides that, according to > the bylaws, for some kinds of votes, only the votes from active PMC members > are binding, such as product release. So an email address doesn't help here. > Even if a vote is from a Flink committer, it is still non-binding. > > Thanks, > Dian > > > 在 2019年12月4日，上午10:37，Jingsong Lee <lzljs3620...@apache.org> > <lzljs3620...@apache.org> 写道： > > Thanks Dawid for driving this discussion. > > +1 to Xuefu's viewpoint. > I am not a Flink committer, but sometimes I use apache email address to > send email. > > Another way is that we require the binding ticket to must contain "binding". > Otherwise it must be a "non-binding" ticket. > In this way, we can let lazy people continue voting without any suffix too. > > Best, > Jingsong Lee > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 3:58 AM Xuefu Z <usxu...@gmail.com> > <usxu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Dawid, > > Thanks for initiating this discussion. I understand the problem you > described, but the solution might not work as having an apache.org email > address doesn't necessary mean it's from a Flink committer. This certainly > applies to me. > > It probably helps for the voters to identify themselves by specifying > either "binding" or "non-binding", though I understand this cannot be > enforced but serves a general guideline. > > Thanks, > Xuefu > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 6:15 AM Dawid Wysakowicz <dwysakow...@apache.org> > <dwysakow...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > I wanted to reach out primarily to the Flink's committers. I think > whenever we cast a vote on a proposal, is it a FLIP, release candidate > or any other proposal, we should use our apache.org email address. > > It is not an easy task to check if a person voting is a committer/PMC if > we do not work with him/her on a daily basis. This is important for > verifying if a vote is binding or not. > > Best, > > Dawid > > > > > -- > Xuefu Zhang > > "In Honey We Trust!" > > > -- > Best, Jingsong Lee > > -- Best, Jingsong Lee
