Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > >Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > >>David Crossley wrote: > >>... > >>>I find this very alarming. Some people at Infrastructure are > >>>trying to get a cross-project environment established for managing > >>>documentation tools and site-building. All PMCs were asked to > >>>join and discuss this. Some people have, but mainly the process > >>>has stalled again. > >> > >>Because it's discussion instead of DIY. > > > >Necessary discussion. The main issue was/is trying to solve how > >ASF projects can conduct oversight of the content, how the tools > >would get maintained, and oversight of the publishing process. > >That is a requirement. > > But it's not a requirement that experimentation stops in the meantime.
I agree. > You have called this "alarming", I disagree. My alarm is about duplication (multiplication) of effort. > I would be alarmed if, once > the rules are decided, people would not want to follow them. But before > that, stopping things is only harmful. > > As soon as new needs come out from site-dev, please relay them here, so > that we can make the system compliant with the requirements. Sorry, i don't have the energy to be a go-between. > >>>Instead we see projects like Cocoon rushing off to do their > >>>own thing. Now we will get duplicate instances of Daisy/Forrest. > >> > >>I find it very constructive that people are rushing to make it work. > >>Consolidation can come later. > > > >Good in theory. In my OSS experience "consolidation" never happens. > >People rush on to the next new thing. > > In my -personal- experience, discussions rarely lead to action. I know what you mean. I got sick of discussions and acted instead to set up the forrestbot on brutus. Now that is gone because of tangential infrastructure issues. I had to set it up all over again at yet another temporary place in my home directory on our zone. Some prior planning and discussion might have helped to have a permanent home. Somehow we need to find the right mixture of discussion and action. The holy grail of OSS. --David > How long have I talked about the locationmap? Have I ever done anything > concrete on it? How long has the Doco document been waiting? How much > time has passed since the first mail on [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>Would it be better just to see this as an experiment, and not (yet) > >>really move the docs there till we have a vote with a working system and > >>a plan? > > > >Perhaps we should start with a specific set of user-oriented > >documents, and leave the core docs in the current system. > > We can start using it as a "super wiki", I agree. > > -- > Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - verba volant, scripta manent - > (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
