On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 14:49 +1000, David Crossley wrote: > Thanks for raising this issue Thorsten. It definitely is an issue > that needs careful attention and probably more discussion. I also > agree with the subsequent replies. (I don't have much time now, > concentrating on the release.) Don't worry, i am not reacting nor > getting defensive, just responding.
:) Thanks for that reply. I as well will give just a short reply because I want to keep on writing the howto's. Indeed I did not indented to press someone in the role of defending skype or IRC. I should be more careful with my side remarks, people may misunderstand them (I am sorry if they did). I just read in many mails something about skype conversation and I agree with you that we need to address this. We said it is more efficient to use skype for: 1) setup of committer to get started 2) task coordination between a team (task-force) that is doing a special task The rule for any other medium besides the ml is that all results or decisions have to go to the ml, as only official medium for communication. > > Yesterday was the first time that i ever used Internet telephony. > I installed it explicity so that Ferdinand and i could work quickly > through the detail of the release process. (I do also need it for > the upcoming ApacheCon to phone home.) Don't worry, we know the need > for discussing most things on the list, so as to include the community. > I know and I +1 for this kind of communication. Like you said it is much more efficient to use the phone for communicating about such task. I also know that you will always record the results and send them to the list. > We needed to ensure that we were each comfortable with the process. > You saw the commits to etc/RELEASE_PROCESS.txt file. We did also > have some problem-solving to do. We need to do a branch experiment to > solve the docs layout issue which has been discussed ad infinitum > on the list, and on which i have spent a lot of personal time. > Yeah I saw and +1 for the decision do experiment in a new branch. ...and thx to you and ferdinand for doing the release. > Email would have been too inefficient. Internet telephony was perfect. > Agree. > Like Gregor, we also used it to talk through the setup of Ferdinand's > ASF committer account. We logged in together and made sure everything > was okay. > > So skype certainly has its situations where it is useful. I reckon > that it is not a matter of IRC versus skype, they both have their > benefits when used appropriately. > Agree > Now on to the issue of an IRC channel for Forrest. In the recent > dev list discussion, we decided to hold a virtual meeting once > per month on IRC. The details are in the archives. > > Here is an idea ... > > This would be an appropriate use of IRC solely for that 24-hour > window. We could automatically tell people that it is being > logged when they enter the room. Then we could review the log > during the subsequent weeks, and bring any issues into the light > of the list. > > Is it possible to close the channel at other times? In that way, > we don't give the impression that there is an additional communication > medium constantly available. We also don't have stacks of IRC logs > to wade through. If people wanted to informally chat, then they could > use some other channel. > > Not sure if that is possible - i am new to IRC and only participated > on the old Cocoon FirstFriday sessions. I would go with Nicola and Gregor, to use common resources that would leverage the administration and setup of such a system. I reckon lenya would happily meet in a #cocoon-federation channel, that would be meeting point for cocoon, lenya and forrest committer. ...again thanks for this response, David. salu2 -- thorsten "Together we stand, divided we fall!" Hey you (Pink Floyd)
