There are other ASF projects that have every intent to get releases out but 
find that life gets in the way. I really don’t have a problem with the project 
relying on you. I have a problem if the project is only you.

Ralph

> On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Daniel Dekany <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Obviously, it would be great if we can graduate, but I'm not sure how.
> Last time the consensus was that the project relies too much on me,
> and so certainly they wouldn't allow FM to graduate at this state.
> That didn't change. Plus, right now, we happen to be inside a now 5
> month long rather silent period (and this will be our 2nd Podling
> Report in row without a release). My plan back then was to start
> working on FM 3 in early November, but life haven't allowed that. But
> my plan hasn't changed, and I hope I can start focusing much more on
> FM sometimes January. Then, however, some time will have to spent on
> releasing 2.3.26 first. For those who don't remember, my standpoint
> was that catching contributors for a template engine is certainly hard
> enough, but FM 2.x.x makes it even harder with all the complex and
> often frustrating legacy. So other than FM 3 meant to be significantly
> better for end-users, it also meant to make FM more attractive for
> potential contributors. (And if FM 3 gets anywhere, I will reach out
> for some long seen contributors, or even seeing if the same engine
> could serve a next gen Velocity and then try to see if the two
> communities could overlap.)
> 
> 
> Wednesday, December 28, 2016, 3:57:50 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> we have discussed this already some months ago and I think it is time to
>> restart the conversation now: does this community feel ready to graduate to
>> a Top Level Project (TLP) at the ASF?
>> 
>> I think that the incubation phase has been very useful for the FreeMarker
>> project/community: FreeMarker has now clearly defined and documented
>> copyrights ownership, the community has learned how to produce and publish
>> clean and neat releases, all the assets and infrastructure have been
>> migrated to the ASF, the community has learned how to smoothly interact and
>> work with the ASF ecosystem (e.g. the ASF Infra, the Incubator general
>> list).
>> I feel that there is not much more that FreeMarker can learn from the
>> incubation and that it is time to think about graduation.
>> 
>> The developer community is still small, but it is independent, diverse and
>> clearly capable of maintaining the FreeMarker product and supporting the
>> large user community: attracting new developer will always be one of the
>> primary goals of this project, but this will not change when the project
>> will be a TLP out of the Incubator.
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> 
>> Jacopo
> 
> -- 
> Thanks,
> Daniel Dekany
> 
> 


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