On May 31, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:


On May 31, 2005, at 8:10 PM, David Jencks wrote:

(reordered)

Just going to throw out that I think the only goal we can all agree on is to not regress on certification once we achieve it.


I certainly hope we agree on this :-) but hope we can find more to agree on.

On May 31, 2005, at 4:40 PM, David Blevins wrote:


On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 04:21:21PM -0700, David Blevins wrote:

On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 11:50:43AM -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:

Can we agree that we need to somehow construct the stable, unstable
and sandbox codebases?


I don't think we have agreed on what is stable and what is unstable. We were having a discussion on the fact that it is now impossible to offer a stable upgrade/patch path for applications. That thread was killed with "PLEASE CAN WE PUT IT ON HOLD UNTIL AFTER CERTIFICATION."

Now Jeremy has proposed that we ignore that discussion and begin cementing what we currently have as stable. How is that at all fair?



I don't know about fair, but I am finding this discussion nearly as distracting as the previous one that we put on hold. I still don't see what exotic svn tricks might buy us over normal svn usage, and don't want to spend a lot of time thinking about it until we pass all the tests. I still think everyones perspective may change once we are passing all the tests and have fixed the few egregious architectural problems that crept in.

I would like to put this discussion on hold until we pass all the tests

if that happens, w/o a stable area, we have to put all changes except certification related changes on hold until we pass.

right?

Not really, I think anything we agree should be in our actual first certified release can be added. For instance I'd like to see Jeremy's configuration and assembly plugins get to a working state and be used for the build. There are a couple of other changes I have in mind that dont affect tests passing but improve the structure or usability. There's at least one patch (servlet start order) I want to apply soon.

thanks
david jencks


geir


thanks
david jencks





-David





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