Rather than co-located next to Stepford, we are located *in* the Apache Software Foundation, and this is an *Apache* project. Therefore, we shall continue to work within the guidelines set by the ASF.

If there are questions and concerns about the guidelines or specific logos, that is fair room for discussion. Rejecting the PRCs guidelines out of hand? Not so much...

geir


On Oct 7, 2005, at 10:49 AM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:

J,

Based on the quote from the PRC I agree with your logic. Unfortunately, these "requirements" are coming in at the end of the contest. I think this is a disservice to those whose contributions you site.

I'm not sure what is offensive (can anyone answer that question?) I guess I refuse to drink the PC koolaid that others are so willing to chug. I didn't realize that Open Source is co-located next to Stepford.

If it is Apache's position that no logo's that represent Native American lore are appropriate and that position is enforced across the projects then I'm willing to accept and live within that. Unfortunately, that is not the case. The Commons project has a peace pipe as their logo.

The headdress symbolizes authority, honor and respect. Where is the offense in that ?

Matt

J wrote:

Based on the above email, and I quote
"Thus, a feather, which has many possible applications, would be
appropriate, but a headdress would not be."
Based on this I think entries numbers 7, 10, 11, should all not be
allowed for voting since from a professional standpoint they are
either a headress or symbolize a headress and the above statement
clearly states that a headress isn't appropriate.
Thanks.
Jason.
On 10/6/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From the PRC for our logo contest.

Begin forwarded message:



From: susan wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: October 3, 2005 3:42:40 PM EDT
To: "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Generic Logo Contest Guidelines



Can someone please publish this to the most appropriate place? Thanks.

Apache Project Logo Contest Guidelines

Look and Feel Guidelines:
-          Submissions must include a usable web version (PNG
preferred) and
a scalable vector, print quality version of the logo
-          The logo will be used to promote the specific Apache
project for
which it is created and should evoke the overall Apache Software
Foundation
brand [community-centric open source development, delivering the
highest
quality, standards compliant software]
-          The logo must incorporate the full project name, such as
Apache
Tomcat or Apache Geronimo
- The logo should not incorporate images that are exclusively
specific to Native American culture.  However, symbols that have
broad or
multiple meanings are acceptable in evoking a Native American
theme.  Thus, a
feather, which has many possible applications, would be
appropriate, but a
headdress would not be. -          The logo should not incorporate
any overt cultural or religious
symbolism
-          The logo may incorporate other imagery, abstract symbols
or a
catchphrase, so long as the full project name is included somewhere
in the
logo.  To this extent, the full project name can be displayed in a
smaller
font size than the main image, if there exists a main image
-          The logo must reflect the values of the community
- The logo must adapt well to electronic and print media, to reproduction on small surfaces, and to use in color or in grayscale.
-          For tips on creating logos suitable for print media,
please review this or any other web guides you might find helpful:
          http://www.sorrentomesa.com/education/techtips.html
-          If the logo incorporates non-standards fonts, you must
be able to
provide us with the font should your logo be selected

Process & Legal Guidelines:
-          Acknowledgement to the winning entry will be provided on
the
appropriate project web site at http://
[insertprojectname].apache.org -          The Apache Software
Foundation reserves the right to select no
winning entry, if it deems that the submissions do not meet the
needs of the
organization
-          If the Logo is selected, the contributor must assign all
rights to
the selected images to the Apache Software Foundation
-          Logo must be free of any copyright or any other
intellectual
property claims
-          Logo must not incorporate or extend existing trademarks
of other
companies


We recommend that every project post information relating to the
submission,
selection, and approval process:
-          Submissions will accepted by [wiki, email, upload to
XYZ] until
October 31, 2005
-          The final decision will be made by the Apache Geronimo
PMC [and
the Apache Public Relations Committee].  Input from the community
will be
welcomed in the form of wiki discussions.








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