Donald Woods wrote:
I have to agree with Matt - wrapping the container as a GBean and then
letting the container do its job is the least obtrusive for existing
users.
I'm not sure where Matt's message implies this.
Why must we turn everything into a GBean? We already make things
difficult for existing Tomcat users and developers who want to move
their skills and apps over to Geronimo. Why should we do the same for
every other service we add into the server?
I, and people who started XBean, feel the same way. IIUC, this will be
cleaned up in 1.2.
Regards,
Alan
-Donald
Matt Hogstrom wrote:
Not sure if this is already captured.
What do folks think about leaving the modules as independent pieces
with their own version numbers and the geronimo_version is just the
aggregate release to users? I expect this would make out life more
difficult but I haven't found the single version number to rule all
modules all that easy either.
Also, it would be nice that if a module hadn't changed then it stays
static and is a good indicator of where the activity is.
Thoughts?
Hiram Chirino wrote:
On 6/11/06, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
X.Y.z: patch release - bug fixes
X.y: minor release - bug fixes and compatible enhancements
x: major release - major enhancements, and incompatible changes
I am very much against placing anything but patches in the .z
releases.
Let me explain why. When we make a minor release we basically branch
the X.y release for the purposes of releasing patches. Any
changes to
this branch, e.g. patches, must also be immediately applied to the
trunk. If we make any enhancements to this branch, we must also
immediately apply the same enhancement to that branch. This adds
significant more risk that bug patching but more importantly when we
fall into the trap of putting minor enhancements into a patch release,
we remove the most serious impetus to getting the minor release
done and
out the door.
+1. This allows us to time box the bug fix releases. If we can get
into the groove of doing regular x.y.z releases (at like 1 a month
intervals), then I think that also reduces the pressure on needing to
make the x.y releases perfect. I think we sometimes delay our x.y
releases because we are aiming for perfection.
The only problem with the above is that it does not solve the problem
of being able to time box the x.y release. The since dev branch of
the x.y release could have multiple new features at different levels
of completion it's hard to stabilize at any given time. Do you guys
consider this a problem?
I like Dain's suggestion of splitting up the modules. In theory in
progress work being done separately versioned project should not hold
up the time boxed release of a Geronimo x.y. Geronimo would just
release with the previous stable version. In practice, even for
independently versioned projects like ActiveMQ, Geronimo will hold up
it's releases to get new releases from ActiveMQ. This is bad if you
want to time box a release.
Another thought that might help Geronimo be able to stay on a time box
release cycle is making more use of 'development' branches. We could
encourage develops to work on new features in development branches
that get merged in once the feature is fully working. The down side
to this is that it may not be obvious to other developers what work is
going on where.
Or perhaps we need to do a a combination of independent versioned
modules where most of the work happens, and then having small
development branches of the main Geronimo module that holds the
integration code that enables the new features. So then then
development branches are used to do integration testing with in
progress features and they are merged in to trunk once the feature is
done and all integration testing is completed.
