Hi Jan,

I'm about to hop on a plane so will respond in more detail later.

I share your concerns about efficiency of the jaspi model, which is why I tried to put another hopefully efficient layer of interfaces in between the AbstractSecurityHandler and the jaspi auth modules. I was hoping that we could simply implement the known auth methods (FORM, BASIC,...) in terms of the ServerAuthentication interface directly and retain all possible efficiencies. Not having done it yet I might have missed some important points :-)

I'll think some more about your comments and get back to you.

thanks
david jencks

(forgot reply-all on my first attempt to respond :-)

On Nov 3, 2008, at 1:56 AM, Jan Bartel wrote:

Hi David,

Having pored over the jaspi spec a few more times, and then
having looked more closely at the code, I'm in a position to
give some more detailed comments.

Firstly, I like the cleaner distinction in functionality
made with the UserIdentity and LoginService as compared
with the previous UserPrincipal and UserRealm. I also
like very much the refactoring of Abstract/ConstraintSecurityHandler
methods.

Here's the place where your antennae should sense a "but"
coming :)

But ... I have some reservations about the efficiency of
the Jaspi Way. In particular, every request for which there
is a role restriction will result in the user being fully
reauthenticated. I understand that even this is an
optimization and departure from the jaspi spec, which
requires validateRequest to be called on each and every
request, unless you know apriori that there is an exclusion
constraint for the resource of the request. BTW the lazy
authentication when there are no role constraints is another
good optimization.

As there is going to be more authenticating going on as
compared with the previous situation, my next reservation
takes on more significance, and that is the amount of
object creation required to satisfy the convoluted jaspi
callback design.

Finally, IIUC the FormAuthenticator will call
session.setAttribute(__J_AUTHENTICATED, form_cred) every time
authentication is done (see line 365 of FormAuthenticator).
In a clustered environment that would be undesirable.

It seems to me that although we could tweak things a bit,
to make them more efficient, we'd be getting ever farther away
from the spec which does not seem to have efficiency as a
design goal. Do you agree, or do you have some optimizations
in mind?

I'm wondering whether we could give the user the choice
of security implmentation, but making both jetty "default"
security AND jaspi security pluggable alternatives? I've
had a brief poke around and I don't think it would take that
much to achieve, but at this stage its a thought experiment
without code to show.

The ideas I've been tossing around to make it pluggable are
to modify some of the interfaces of UserIdentity and LoginService
and introduce a SecurityManager class to orchestrate
things a little:

UserIdentity
------------
Principal getUserPrincipal()
String getAuthMethod()
boolean isUserInRole(String role)
setRunAsRole(RunAsToken)
setServletHandler(ServletHandler)


UserRealm (was LoginService)
---------
UserIdentity authenticate (String user, Object credential)
boolean reauthenticate (UserIdentity)


SecurityManager
--------------
UserIdentity authenticate (Request, Response)


DefaultSecurityManager //implements SecurityManager
----------------------


JaspiSecurityManager //implements SecurityManager
--------------------


AbstractSecurityHandler
----------------------
+ setSecurityManager (SecurityManager)

The AbstractSecurityHandler would be pretty much unchanged as it
is now, except for the addition of a setter and getter for a
SecurityManager instance, and the invocation of that manager
where it currently invokes JaspiServerAuthentication.validateRequest(...)
(around line 169).

The DefaultSecurityManager implementation would call the authenticator
(Basic, Form, Credential etc) directly, much as the ConstraintSecurityHandler
did in the pre-jaspi version.

The JaspiSecurityManager implementation would be equivalent to the
JaspiServerAuthentication class functionality.

Perhaps the biggest change would be to the LoginService, which I've
named back to UserRealm, simply because its behaviour is more
authentication related, rather than strictly login related. No problem though
to keep the name LoginService if preferred. The authenticate() method
returns a UserIdentity object, instead of ultimately setting a LoginCallback
instance on the Subject (via the ServletCallbackHandler). I don't
see that as a major problem - the ServletCallbackHandler could set
the UserIdentity object on the Subject instead. Note that in a jaspi
implementation, I expect that reauthenticate would never be called, or
if it was, it would call authenticate() instead.

The other issue is the Form, Basic, Digest etc AuthModules.
I think we'd need another set for the default jetty implementation
that had no jaspi-style interfaces in it. I think though that
they should be able to share a majority of code - avoiding duplication
would be highly desirable.

From the user's perspective, it would be simple to configure jaspi:

 WebAppContext webApp = ...;
webApp.getSecurityHandler().setSecurityManager(new JaspiSecurityManager());

I'm sure I haven't considered all aspects of pluggability. I'll try
and get some time to turn the thoughts into code, which are a) more easily
comprehended and b) will show up any areas I've neglected.

cheers
Jan


David Jencks wrote:
Yup, that's wrong.... should be fixed now

hoping to read your messages carefully before replying in the future,
thanks
david jencks

On Oct 31, 2008, at 12:42 AM, Jan Bartel wrote:

Hi David,

No, I'm referring to this code:

ConstraintSecurityHandler.checkUserDataPermissions line 235 and 259.

It is doing a redirect there to get the request to come in again on
the right connector (either the confidential or integral port as
appropriate).

cheers
Jan

David Jencks wrote:

On Oct 30, 2008, at 10:54 PM, Jan Bartel wrote:

Hi David,

I'll reply to your reply in a later posting. For now, I just noticed
something odd in the ConstraintSecurityHandler. If
checkUserDataPermissions()
notices the request was received on the wrong connector (ie on http
instead of
https) and does a redirect, the AbstractSecurityHandler.handle()
method goes
ahead and subjects the request to JASPI authentication. It seems to me
that
at that point we want to stop processing the request altogether. It
will
be the redirected request that we're interested in processing further
(either doing the auth or doing a redirect to a login form).

I think you are referring to this code?

              if (!checkUserDataPermissions(pathInContext,
base_request, base_response, constraintInfo))
              {
                  if (!base_request.isHandled())
                  {
                      response.sendError(Response.SC_FORBIDDEN);
                      base_request.setHandled(true);
                  }
                  return;
              }

I think there's something odd here, but IIUC something other than what
you see.
This is not proposing a redirect, it is plainly denying the request.
I've been worrying about this because it prevents redirecting http
requests to the equivalent https requests.  Until recently I didn't
think it was possible to do this redirect using jacc permissions but I
think there is a solution....

If the actual request is denied and is http we could create a new
request with the url converted to https and checkUserDataPermissions on it.... if that check succeeds we can redirect to the more secure url. This is somewhat analogous to the way we determine if authentication is
mandatory, namely by doing a web resource permission check with the
unauthenticated user.

I might also have missed what you are looking at...

thanks
david jencks


cheers
Jan

David Jencks wrote:
Hi Jan,

On Oct 29, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Jan Bartel wrote:

Hi David,

I'm still snatching time to tiptoe further around the jaspi branch.

A couple of thoughts to run by you:

1. UserIdentity and LoginService classnames. These are quasi
analogous
to UserPrincipal and UserRealm (although the behaviour has been
refactored).
I'm wondering whether it might not be a good idea to retain the old classnames, just so it might be easier for jetty users/ developers
to ease into understanding the new security structures?


I'm not sure that keeping the old names would help anyone
understand the
new code, I rather think it would be confusing. I'd really rather not call UserIdentity a Principal since it isn't a Principal and depending on the security handler implementation can contain rather different
things.  The main point of introducing it was that in jetty
integrations
(Geronimo and from distant memory JBoss) the UserPrincipal was
ridiculously overloaded to contain incredible amounts of non- principal information associated with the user's identity. I think that instead it makes sense to have an object that supplies the UserPrincipal, plus
whatever else the security system needs.  I don't have strong
objection
to calling the LoginService UserRealm but I think its going to be
confusing and less informative since it doesn't have the
non-login-service methods any more.

1a. Actually thinking about this, it will probably be quite
important for
Jetty users to be able to make a smooth transition over to a
jaspi-based
implementation. Do you think we can retain a UserRealm and a
UserPrincipal
with all their methods intact, but just "blend in" the jaspi- ness
with
some extra methods and some changed implementations of the existing
apis?


Maybe.  I think the new interfaces are a lot clearer and more
descriptive for embedding jetty that the old ones. I could look into
writing adapters from UserIdentity to UserPrincipal and
LoginService to
UserRealm but I'm not entirely sure it will work.  In particular
I'm not
at all sure the non login-service methods on UserRealm could plausibly
be called.

2. We allow a UserRealm to be explicitly set on a WebAppContext
(well,
strictly speaking its
WebAppContext.getSecurityHandler().setUserRealm(UserRealm)).
I couldn't see specific support for that, only getting a list of
LoginServices from the Server instance. Should be easy enough to
put in though?

I'm not sure how my code is different, except the LoginService is
final
and set in the constructor of ServletCallbackHandler, around line 1042 of WebXmlConfiguration. I don't recall changing this code much...



3. With the JAAS stuff, which has its own set of callbacks it
uses to obtain info, we used a DefaultCallbackHandler to plug in
the right info, such as credentials, passwords, usernames and
also extra request parameters from the login. I notice you're using
an anonymous CallbackHandler instead to pass into the JAAS
LoginContext.
Is it possible to use the DefaultCallbackHandler instead? It supports a couple more callback types that some LoginModule implementations
may
depend on.

I could misunderstand the DefaultCallbackHandler but I think that the extensions to a user-password callback handler all involve extracting credentials from the request. In the jaspi architecture this is the function of the auth module, not the password validation service. A
login module that fishes directly in the request ought to be
refactored
into a plain login module that just validates the credentials and an
auth module that extracts the credentials from the message.
Despite all
the weirdness in jaspi I think this is a good idea and worth
enforcing.

I guess someone who really really wanted to preserve their login
module
could write a subclass of LoginCallback that dealt with request
parameters, and a JAASLoginService subclass.  This would be made
easier
by factoring out the CallbackHandler creation in JAASLoginService
into a
protected method.   Looks like I left out some exception handling
there
too :-(  I'd rather not encourage this however.



4. Minor thing - is there a lot of value in the RunAsToken marker
interface
as opposed to just having a String? The roles and role mappings are
themselves just Strings, so I was wondering what the utility is?

This is an embedding thing also. It's pretty unclear what run- as is
actually supposed to mean and how things like supplying the
identity for
a web service client or other remote call is supposed to work. (If the
web service is supposed to be called as the user, rather than the
server's identity, and you are in a run-as role, what credentials does this run-as-role identity supply????) In Geronimo we represent the
run-as role by a Subject obtained by logging into a security
realm.  So,
the geronimo run-as token has this Subject in it. We might want to
store a UserIdentity there instead..... anyway I don't think
constraining the representation of the run-as identity is wise.

BTW remember that the current auth modules implementing
BASIC/DIGEST/FORM auth are more or less temporary until we more or
less
agree on the main interfaces, at which time I plan to rewrite them in
more jetty-friendly form (also after apachecon :-)

Many thanks!
david jencks



best regards
Jan

David Jencks wrote:

On Oct 16, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Jan Bartel wrote:

Hi David,

Firstly, let me genuflect in recognition of your extraordinary
efforts
for a) reading the spec b) being able to make heads or tails of
it c)
coming up with an implementation based on it!

:-D


I'm surpressing the urge to have a bit of rant at yet another jcp
spec
that is at the same time heavy on the verbiage and light on
comprehensibility. Your email was way more informative
than what 29 people managed to produce in the spec.

Anyway, looking at the code in the jetty-7-jaspi branch, and I
admit
that so far I've only just had a cursory nosey around, where would we integrate the JAAS side of things? Implement a JAASLoginService?

see org.mortbay.jetty.plus.jaas in modules/plus/jetty-plus
Not sure if it is ideal, it's pretty much a simple modification of
the
former JAASUserRealm



I'll have a deeper look at the code and get back to you with more informed comments. This mail is to re-assure you that your post
hasn't fallen into the void and that we are looking forward to
integrating this into jetty-7 trunk!

The main thing to remember might be that the current
implementations of
built-in security (FORM, BASIC, DIGEST etc) are in jaspi "modules"
only
until we agree on the jetty api at which point I was thinking to
convert
them back into more jetty specific code. Of course if you decide
you
really like jaspi.... :-)


Jan
PS I love this code-comment in ServletCallbackHandler:

* Idiot class required by jaspi stupidity @#*($)#@&^)[EMAIL PROTECTED]&*$@

Several parts of the jaspi spec look to me as if they are sort of
stuck
on at the end when someone realized it was incomplete, and the
heavy use
of CallbackHandler for two way communication between the jaspi
modules
and the container strikes me as one such point.

thanks
david jencks



:)

David Jencks wrote:
Greg and Jan were kind enough to create a branch for me to play
around
with a JASPI (Java Authentication Service Provider Interface)
integration with jetty and its getting to a point where I'm
willing to
talk about it.

Code is at
https://svn.codehaus.org/jetty/jetty/branches/jetty-7-jaspi

JASPI attempts to provide a uniform framework for messaging
systems,
both client and server side, to plug in message
authentication.  On
the
client you can add auth info to a request and validate auth info
on a
response. On the server you can validate auth info on a request
and add
auth info to a response.  The auth code can conduct arbitrary
message
exchanges to negotiate what info is needed and transmit the info.
I've
been working on the server side auth for jetty.

The actual spec jaspi interfaces are not 100% ideal for http and
don't
allow stuff like lazy authentication for unsecured resources so
I've
come up with interfaces similar in spirit to the jaspi ones.

I've also tried to rework the implementation so it is more
friendly to
integration with other app servers with their own ideas about
security
frameworks such as geronimo and in particular make jacc
implementations
easier. I expect these changes will also simplify integration with
e.g.
jboss and glassfish but I haven't seriously tried to verify this.

Currently all the authentication code (replacing the
*Authenticator
classes) is implemented in terms of jaspi but I plan to change
this
soon
to use the jetty specific interfaces directly.

So.... lets follow a HttpServletRequest/Response pair on its
voyage
through the security system...


... it arrives at AbstractSecurityHandler.handle.  This is a
template
method that runs through the following structure calling out to
subclasses and the authentication system:
1. calls checkUserDataPermissions(pathInContext, base_request,
base_response, constraintInfo).  This checks the user data
constraints,
basically that the request arrived over the right kind of
connection
(http/https).  Two obvious implementations of this are the
existing
jetty constraint based implementation or one based on JACC.

2. calls isAuthMandatory(base_request, base_response,
constraintInfo) to
determine if the request actually needs authentication. If it
does
not
we can often delay authentication until a method relying on auth
results
is called (such as getUserPrincipal or isUserInRole). Again this
can be
implemented using constraints or JACC.

3. packs the request, response, and authManditory into a
JettyMessageInfo holder object which can also pass various auth
info in
a map.

4. delegates the authentication to the jaspi-like ServerAuthResult authResult = serverAuthentication.validateRequest(messageInfo);

assuming we are not doing lazy auth, this will extract the
credentials
from the request (possibly conducing a multi-message exchange
with the
client to request the credentials) and validate them.
Validation can use a LoginService possibly provided to the
ServerAuthentication which could be JAAS, Hash, JDBC, etc etc. Lazy auth results in returning a lazy result that only attempts
authentication when info is actually needed.  In this case no
message
exchange with the client is possible.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
5. Assuming that authentication succeeded (this includes the lazy
case
where the request would be allowed even without
authentication), we
wrap
up the result in an identity delegate:
    UserIdentity userIdentity = newUserIdentity(authResult);
    base_request.setUserIdentity(userIdentity);
The UserIdentity is the delegate for run-as role implementation
and
actually answering auth questions from the application program.
This
allows app servers to handle run-as roles however they want.

6. Assuming authentication is mandatory, now that we know the
user, we
can find out if they are in the appropriate roles:
checkWebResourcePermissions(pathInContext, base_request,
base_response,
constraintInfo, userIdentity)

7. On success, we can actually handle the request:
getHandler().handle(pathInContext,
messageInfo.getRequestMessage(),
messageInfo.getResponseMessage(), dispatch);

8. Assuming no exceptions were thrown, we can now secure the
response
(normally a no-op for http):
serverAuthentication.secureResponse(messageInfo, authResult);

-------------------------------------------

JASPI implementations

I wrote a fairly complete jaspi framework implementation for
geronimo
(rather than the bits actually needed for http which I wrote for
jetty)
and have a nearly-untested openid implementation.   This
(theoretically)
lets you openid-enable your app by supplying an appropriate login
page
and useing the openid auth module.

Theres also a glassfish implementation that I haven't looked at
and
someone wrote a SPNEGO auth module that works with it.
http://spnego.ocean.net.au/

--------------------------------------------

How does this differ from what's there now?

SecurityHandler: AbstractSecurityHandler now just has the basic workflow described about and delegates all actual work to either subclasses (for authorization decisions and object creation) or
the
authentication delegate. This makes it easy to plug in alternate implementations such as a JACC implementation for an EE server.

Authentication results and run-as roles:  Formerly these were
either
directly set in the request (possibly using lazy evaluation, with
code
again in Request) or stuffed into a Principal implementation
via the
UserRealm. This really overloaded the idea of a Principal for no apparent reason and made integration into app servers slightly
convoluted.  This is replaced with a UserIdentity interface
providing
separate access to the auth results (user principal) and role
handling
(isUserInRole, and run-as handling).  Subclasses of
AbstractSecurityHandler can provide their own implementations of
this
interface.  These typically delegate to implementations of
ServerAuthResult, which can handle lazy authentication if
necessary.

UserRealm IMO glues together a lot of unrelated functions,
primarily the
role handling code now in UserIdentity and the credential
validation now
in LoginService. Credential validation may not even be needed by
the
server (e.g. openid). If needed it's called from something that extracts credentials from the request. Implementations are going
to do
something like look up the user in a file or table or delegate to
JAAS.
On the other hand the role handling is called by jetty or by the
application and the implementation is done by the app server
(jetty or
e.g. geronimo). Aside from being related somehow to security,
these are
totally unrelated concerns.

--------------------------------------------------

How does ServerAuthentication and LoginService relate to JASPI?

The JASPI interface similar to ServerAuthentication is
ServerAuthContext:

void cleanSubject(MessageInfo messageInfo, Subject subject) throws
AuthException;

AuthStatus secureResponse(MessageInfo messageInfo, Subject
serviceSubject) throws AuthException;

AuthStatus validateRequest(MessageInfo messageInfo, Subject
clientSubject, Subject serviceSubject) throws AuthException;

The main difference is that ServerAuthentication packages all the results into a ServerAuthResult object rather than modifying the clientSubject directly and hiding user principal and group info in
some
callback handers. This lets ServerAuthentication support lazy
auth.

As far as configuration goes. you get a ServerAuthContext by
calling a
whole lotta methods on some other stuff.  or.... you can just
create one
and stuff it into an adapter, JaspiServerAuthentication.
Probably we
want to implement the built in auth methods as direct
ServerAuthentication implementations rather than the current
ServerAuthModule implementations (a ServerAuthContext is
supposed to
delegate to one or more ServerAuthModules, which have the same
interface).

LoginService is a pretty straightforward way of asking for
password
validation and getting some info back. JASPI has a peculiar IMO
system
based on Callbacks.  The container (jetty) supplies the auth
context
with a CallbackHandler that enables bi-directional communication.
Callbacks providing services to the auth module:

PasswordValidationCallback: this lets the auth module ask for
password
validation: this is the closest to LoginService.
CertStoreCallback, PrivateKeyCallback, SecretKeyCallback, and
TrustStoreCallback all let the auth module ask for certificate services. AFAICT these are mostly for securing response messages,
which
is typically not done for http.

Callbacks letting the auth module pass info to the server:
CallerPrincipalCallback: supplies the caller principal so
getCallerPrincipal can return something.
GroupPrincipalCallback supplies "groups" the user may be in. The meaning here is rather undefined but can be mapped to roles in
some
way,
such as by assuming the groups and roles are the same.

The use of callbacks here still seems rather weird to me but may
make
more sense in the context of other messaging systems: jaspi is
supposed
to be applicable to all sorts of messaging, including ejb calls,
jms,
web services, etc etc.

I've put the caller principal and groups into the ServerAuthResult
object where they can be accessed directly (although possibly
determined
lazily).


--------------------------------------------------------------

Comments...

Right now it looks to me as if form auth needs to be non-lazy
since
part
of the message exchange involves a request to j_security_check
which is
normally not a secured response. Trying to evaluate auth for this lazily doesn't work... you never get back to the original request.

I don't see how this implementation could be significantly
simplified or
sped up.... I'm certainly willing to look at problems.

I've been discussing JACC with Greg for a long time now. The only
thing
I can see that is possible with constraint implementations that
is not
possible with jacc is redirecting an http request to the
"equivalent"
https request if a user data constraint is violated. I'm curious
about
whether this is something people want to do or usually set up.

Many thanks,
david jencks







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