I've also found that the search engines list very similar results for most searches (from my experience at least). So usually optimizing for Google ends up giving similar effects for all 3 major indexes (Yahoo/Live/Google).
Beyond this, most other search engines just feed from one of these 3 indexes. The other "real" indexes are mostly insignificant. Quintin Beukes On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Quintin Beukes <[email protected]> wrote: > I definitely recommend looking into an archive if possible. You should > even be able to leave the documentation.html page's links the same, > only changing the old docs to be hosted on another domain. If at all > possible this would be a good solution to ensure the latest docs have > as much indexed on google as possible. > > Quintin Beukes > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Ellen Tang <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi Quintin, >> >> Thank you for your advice. That's very useful for us. I'll look into SEO and >> try to make our pages better. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Ellen >> >> 2009/10/14 Quintin Beukes <[email protected]> >>> >>> Futher, if the old docs are taken out, it would leave a structure >>> that's much more focused on a the newest version, and thus reduce the >>> likeliness of GoogleBot seeing the pages as being too similar. >>> GoogleBot is very sensitive with this and sometimes sees 2 completely >>> irrelevant pages as being similar. I've found on 2 occasions that >>> changing the wording on one page could cause another page to suddenly >>> appear with the next index. This could be coincidence, as many reasons >>> could cause a page to become indexed, but the similarity seems most >>> probably since looking at the 2 pages you could understand how a bot >>> could see them as similar. >>> >>> Further, updating the documentation with basic SEO in mind, and >>> improving the link webs should help get more pages indexed - and >>> possibly even listed higher. >>> >>> Quintin Beukes >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Quintin Beukes <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > The 2.2 docs are on google. In fact, all the versions are there. By >>> > default it only lists 1/2 similar pages, and the rest can be viewed by >>> > clicking on the "more results" link. >>> > >>> > From what I could see on the pages, the reason 1.1 docs are listed >>> > first is an SEO issue, in that the 1.1 docs contain the word Geronimo >>> > more, and has a ranked page linking to it. To host all the >>> > documentation online would make a for a major SEO task added onto the >>> > list. Maybe the best would be to add the old docs into an "archive" >>> > (another domain would be best), link into the archive, and have only >>> > the latest docs actually stored on the xwiki.apache.org domain. I >>> > don't know if this is possible, but it should definitely clear up the >>> > documentation issue. >>> > >>> > If you're unlucky the archive ends up ranking higher than the original >>> > and you're back to where you started, though I think that would be >>> > unlikely if there is a link trail to Geronimo from the xwiki root, and >>> > back up wards (and the same for all apps). This should keep the rank >>> > tree farely high, and an archive would be unlikely to overtake it. >>> > >>> > I'm no SEO expert, so this might not be the best advice, but it would >>> > be what I would have done. >>> > >>> > Quintin Beukes >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:02 AM, Ellen Tang <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >> Hi, I found that the "I'm feeling lucky" function only takes you to the >>> >> first website listed in Google responding to your query. This is why >>> >> you are >>> >> directed to 1.1 docs instead of 2.1. But I do see the problem that 2.2 >>> >> docs >>> >> are not listed in Google. >>> >> >>> >> I've seen the Confluence help pages with the links of the latest >>> >> version as >>> >> you suggested. It works very well on the Confluence websites. I think >>> >> it's a >>> >> very good function but yet takes a lot effort to implement because we >>> >> have >>> >> so many pages and versions of G docs right now. Plus, once we have a >>> >> new >>> >> release, all the links need to be updated. As discussed with Jeff, we >>> >> can >>> >> first try to make our latest docs display in Google. >>> >> >>> >> Please let us know if you have any suggestions for that. Thank you! >>> >> >>> >> Best regards, >>> >> Ellen >>> >> >>> >> 2009/10/1 Juergen Weber <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> >>> Fixing the links doesn't seem to be the general solution, >>> >>> e.g. with >>> >>> geronimo ra.xml and "I'm feeling lucky" you get the 1.1 docs, even if >>> >>> google >>> >>> knows the 2.1 docs. >>> >>> There should be a friendly big red box on old pages "There exists a >>> >>> more >>> >>> recent version of this page" with a link to it. >>> >>> >>> >>> Greetings, Juergen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Ellen Tang-2 wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >>> > I've tried to find the page of the same topic (Daytrader) in >>> >>> > documentation >>> >>> > v2.1 by changing the link directly from >>> >>> > http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC20/daytrader.html to >>> >>> > http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC21/daytrader.html . The page does >>> >>> > open >>> >>> > and >>> >>> > has correct contents, but when I tried to find the link of the same >>> >>> > topic >>> >>> > in >>> >>> > the table of contents of v2.1 documentation ( >>> >>> > http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC21/documentation.html ), I couldn't >>> >>> > find >>> >>> > the >>> >>> > link for the "Daytrader" page, which does exist. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > I guess that this is why the google search can't find the page of >>> >>> > "Daytrader" in Geronimo v2.1 documentation. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Jeff, maybe you can have a check for this to see if you get the same >>> >>> > result >>> >>> > as me. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Thanks! >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Ellen >>> >>> > >>> >>> > 2009/9/30 chi runhua <[email protected]> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >> I think it's the problem of the template in auto-export plugin, >>> >>> >> but >>> >>> >> only >>> >>> >> confluence admin could do some configuration to update the >>> >>> >> template. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Jeff C >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Ellen Tang >>> >>> >> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> Hi Juergen, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I guess that could be a good thing to do. We'll discuss about that >>> >>> >>> to >>> >>> >>> see >>> >>> >>> if it's possible and necessary to do that. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you for your idea! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Ellen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2009/9/28 Juergen Weber <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> googling often leads to an old version of a Geronimo wiki page. >>> >>> >>>> e.g. google daytrader apache goes to >>> >>> >>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC20/daytrader.html >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> Can you somehow make the wiki automatically display links to the >>> >>> >>>> most >>> >>> >>>> recent >>> >>> >>>> version? >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>>> Juergen >>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>> >>>> View this message in context: >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> http://www.nabble.com/Wiki-link-to-current-version-page-tp25645167s134p25645167.html >>> >>> >>>> Sent from the Apache Geronimo - Dev mailing list archive at >>> >>> >>>> Nabble.com. >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> View this message in context: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nabble.com/Wiki-link-to-current-version-page-tp25645167s134p25685083.html >>> >>> Sent from the Apache Geronimo - Dev mailing list archive at >>> >>> Nabble.com. >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >> >> >
