Hi Viola,
right, but together, by joining the effort from the two communities, I'm
quite sure that we can provide something really great ;)
Regards
JB
On 12/15/2011 02:49 PM, viola lu wrote:
But a lot of work to do
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:27 PM, viola lu <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It seems like a good idea to me.
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Charles,
as discussed on Karaf, I'm really eager to see the feedback from
the Geronimo community.
I would be more than happy to join and help the Geronimo
community around the Karaf usage and see what we can do to
provide a better Geronimo and Karaf.
Regards
JB
On 12/15/2011 10:55 AM, Charles Moulliard wrote:
Hi,
Within mailing list of Karaf, we have started a discussion
about the
idea to have a KarafEE release. This idea is similar to the
reflection
that OpenEJB team has had with TomEE but using Tomcat as Java
Application Server. As Geronimo uses Karaf as their kernel
(which is
not the case for Glassfish, JBoss, Eclipse Virgo, ...) that
makes a
lot of sense that we continue to promote karaf as platform
not only
for Integration Server like ServiceMix but also for J2EE
platform.
Since EJB3 spec and CDI, we see more and more projects
interested to
have/use an EJB container on Karaf and use it as an
alternative to
Spring (Dynamic Module/Blueprint). Developing a server,
certify it,
cost a lot.
As we we do not want to re-invent the wheel and due to number of
resources available, we prefer to capitalize on the
work/efforts done.
This is why we come to you to discuss the idea about
collaborating
together to improve existing geronimo-karaf platform to
address points
mentioned in this thread
(http://karaf.922171.n3.__nabble.com/Proposition-Apache-__KarafEE-td3585332.html
<http://karaf.922171.n3.nabble.com/Proposition-Apache-KarafEE-td3585332.html>)
to be able to provide a KarafEE or Geronimo distro but using
"features
mechanism" of Karaf to deploy OpenEJB, OpenJPA, new Karaf
web console,
...
What do you think about that ?
Regards,
Charles Moulliard
Apache Committer
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Twitter : http://twitter.com/cmoulliard
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: James Strachan<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Proposition] - Apache KarafEE
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Given Geronimo is already based on Karaf and focussed on EE;
am not
sure why re-implementing Geronimo inside Karaf is a good idea -
wouldn't it be better to just work with the Geronimo
community to fix
the issues you've raised (which seems to be about having more
Karaf-like approaches available inside Geronimo and fixing
up the web
consoles - neither seem that big a deal to me to require
forking a
community& project?). Am sure the Geronimo folks would be
happy to
take contributions to enable more of Karaf's features in an
EE context
etc.
Certifying against EE is a massive amount of work; there has
to be a
really really good reason (and a ton of volunteers with a
massive
amount of free time who've got nothing better to do) to justify
duplicating that effort.
Given how modular OSGi& Karaf are; am not sure why any of
these goals
can't be solved inside Geronimo (e.g. take Geronimo
uninstall its
console, install Karaf's console - no need to fork a
community for
that?).
On 14 December 2011 12:40, Charles
Moulliard<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>__> wrote:
Hi,
As you probably knows, I work with OpenEJB community
since a couple of
weeks to be able to deploy OpenEJB 4.0.0-SNAPSHOT on
Apache Karaf. The
OpenEJB container can already been deployed and EJBs
jars registered.
Work should be done around OpenEJB to be able to easily
scan (like we
do for deploy directory in Karaf) new or updated EJB
jars file and add
karaf command.
When this new brick will be ready, everything will be in
place to
propose/provide an Apache KarafEE (EE = Enterprise
Edition) release
packaging OpenEJB, OpenJPA, Aries JPA, Aries JNDI, Pax
Web, Aries
Transaction Manager.
The first question/remark that I will receive from the
communauty will
be : Great/Brillant idea but Apache Geronimo is already
there and use
Apache Karaf. So why developing a new server : There a
lot of good
reasons why we should do that and study my suggestion
carefully but
some arguments could be :
(1) concurrence in this area is always good comparing to
what we have
in J2EE world, JBoss, TomEE, Glassfish. J2EE are de
facto servers used
in major and many Java projects. OSGI is not yet
recognized as a
robust and simple solution to be used due to lack of
tooling,
complexity to package and create bundles. So having a
new OSGI true
J2EE server could help to spread the world,
(2) The packaging and deployment approach of Apache
Geronimo is a bit
different from Karaf and some of the Karaf features are
not enable
(e.g : features, ...).
(3) The Geronimo web console cannot be reused for Apache
Karaf and now
with our new WebConsole we are independent of Apache
WebConsole Felix
(4) EJB is back since spec EJB3 like also JPA and more
and more
project does not longer use de facto Spring !
(5) With Cellar/Fabric we have a strong foundation to
deploy/manage/use Karaf in the cloud and design
multi-servers
architecture.
KarafEE could be like Cellar, new WebConsole a
subproject having its
own assembly release process. It will contain assembly
process,
featurs, karaf commands, branding and web consoles stuffs.
Remark : I have proposed also for OpenEJB that they have a
karaf-assembly but our sub-project could be designed for
that purpose
-
http://openejb.979440.n4.__nabble.com/Proposition-New-__maven-module-OpenEJB-Karaf-__tt4194577.html
<http://openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/Proposition-New-maven-module-OpenEJB-Karaf-tt4194577.html>
What do you think about this proposition ?
Regards,
Charles Moulliard
Apache Committer
Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
Twitter : http://twitter.com/cmoulliard
Linkedin : http://www.linkedin.com/in/__charlesmoulliard
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/charlesmoulliard>
Skype: cmoulliard
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