Gianluca,
Answer according to ChatGPT, they tried to block at first..

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I think the answer will be a "yes, and..". We will definitely need the
structured documentation as you noted, but we also need to position as much
troubleshooting discourse to be indexable as possible; the LLM's are
making unstructured text more valuable than ever.

-Andrew


On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 6:23 AM Gianluca Sartori <g.sart...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
>
> I am not sure if ChatGPT and the like are happier with issue tracking or
> Q&A data rather than structured documentation.
>
> I have used stack overflow a lot for the same reason I now use ChatGPT: to
> quickly find solutions or options instead of reading the books :).
>
> Looking at the sources ChatGPT provides with its answers I don’t recall
> having seen StackOverflow, but this is just my experience.
>
> I am not aware of how they assign a “relevance score” to their sources.
>
> I don't know, my gut tells me that a complete and structured documentation
> would be better these days.
>
> Having recent news/talks/posts on Groovy & Grails will help for sure the
> “relevance” and the perception of the technology. We all know it’s a
> psychological thing but most of the marketing/communication is based on
> that.
>
> Along with the Grails 7 release we need to find a way to better communicate
> Grails, maybe with documented use cases and company names. So when people
> ask ChatGPT about Grails that’s what it’s going to tell them :)
>
> Cheers,
> Gianluca Sartori
> --
> https://dueuno.com
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 at 04:53, Andrew Garcia <and...@goodshuffle.com
> .invalid>
> wrote:
>
> > I believe I recall hearing that the content of the mailing list is
> > crawlable bots yes? In this case that’s a strong value add to the
> community
> > as I believe it’s on our best interest that as much of the
> troubleshooting
> > conversations, and answers, are indexable by services like ChatGPT and
> > Claude. Ai conversations at the go-to source for everyone/engineers of
> the
> > future and if we isolate all of the rich conversation away from the eyes
> of
> > those platforms we’re only hurting ourselves.
> >
> > I’m a fan of the expediency and organization of slack, but if it’s not
> > replicated online and indexable we’re missing the future.
> >
> > -Andrew
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jun 5, 2025, at 10:07 PM, James Daugherty <
> jdaughe...@jdresources.net.invalid>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > In this past week's developer meeting, we discussed the decline of
> > > stackoverflow (
> > > https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/stack-overflow-is-almost-dead/).
> The
> > > ASF provides us a users mailing list and we would like to transition
> > grails
> > > questions to the mailing list.  We intend to keep slack as an
> alternative
> > > means of communication and log github discussions to the users mailing
> > list
> > > too.
> > >
> > > Is there any disagreement to this proposal?  The idea is we'll remove
> > > references to stack overflow on our website & suggest people ask
> > questions
> > > on the users mailing list, github discussions, or slack instead.
> > >
> > > -James
> >
>


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