BTW, it was not my intention to take anything away from the tremendous work
you’ve all done. I was just trying to share a different point of view for
the sake of the discussion.

I’ve read my email again and I sound like a dick, it was not intentional,
sorry about that.


Gianluca Sartori
--
https://dueuno.com

On Mon, 5 Oct 2026 at 14:50, James Fredley <[email protected]> wrote:

> https://grails.apache.org/support-schedule.html lists the versions
>
> 7.x.x were extended a bit, as was possible since Spring Boot 3.5.x was
> EOL, but are now likely at the end since 8.0.0 will be out this week.
>
> James
>
> On 2026/10/05 06:33:38 Gianluca Sartori wrote:
> > As a user,
> >
> > I would keep my apps to Grails 7/Groovy 4, just because that’s the latest
> > release we moved to, and wait till Grails 9/Groovy 6 is out, just because
> > of the performance gain.
> >
> > I am also not entirely sure why we are keeping three Grails 7.x releases.
> > That also from a user perspective is a bit confusing: what version
> should I
> > use? Why? That’s not immediately clear from the website.
> >
> > It is my personal opinion that the only reason to maintain a specific
> > Grails version would be to enable people with JVM restrictions to use
> > Grails (eg: Grails 5 -> Java 8, Grails 7 -> Java 17, etc).
> >
> > But given the speed the underlying technologies are progressing nowadays,
> > who wants to maintain a monolithic app with an old and UNSAFE stack?
> >
> > UNSAFE is something the business understands, it’s a driver to move ahead
> > with the underlying technologies like Java and Spring.
> >
> > Since each Grails new release comes with refactoring COSTS, they must be
> > justified somehow.
> >
> > From a business point of view there is no reason to move to Grails
> 8/Groovy
> > 5 when we have Grails 9/Groovy 6 in a six months timeframe and with much
> > added value respect to Grails 8/Groovy 5.
> >
> > On a side note, we are almost ready to release Dueuno 4/Grails 8 along
> with
> > the latest application we are working on. But if we manage to skip that
> and
> > jump straight to a Dueuno 4/Grails 9/Groovy 6 with noticeably improved
> > performance, that would be better.
> >
> >
> > Gianluca Sartori
> > --
> > https://dueuno.com
> >
> > On Mon, 5 Oct 2026 at 03:04, James Fredley <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > The 8.0.0 vote is out, which is is an AWESOME accomplishment.
> > >
> > > While that finishes, I want to discuss what we do next, before we spend
> > > time on the wrong branch.
> > >
> > > Proposal: do not release an 8.1.x on Spring Boot 4.2 in Q1 2027. Ship
> > > 8.0.x, move straight to 9.0.x on Groovy 6 (snapshots already exist),
> and
> > > pick up Spring Boot 4.2 in a 9.1.x release after that GA is out.
> > >
> > > The schedule would look like this:
> > >
> > > - 8.0.0 on Spring Boot 4.1 and Groovy 5 - now
> > > - 9.0.0 on Spring Boot 4.1 and Groovy 6 targets late November or early
> > > December. Those snapshots are already running.
> > > - I expect Spring Boot 4.2 GA around Christmas or early January rather
> > > than the usual late November window.  4.1 landed in June, about a month
> > > late.  Spring Boot 4.2.0-M2 shipped on 24 September. The 4.2.0-RC1
> > > milestone is 29 of 30 issues closed
> > > (https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-boot/milestone/433). The
> > > 4.2.0 GA milestone is open, but Spring has not set a due date
> > > (https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-boot/milestone/434).
> > > - After Spring Boot 4.2 GA, we release 9.1 on top of 9.0 in Q1 2027
> > > - 8.1 stays on the shelf unless we find a real reason to release it.
> > >
> > > Two release trains are driving this. We still cut a Grails major when
> > > Spring Boot cuts a major. Groovy now looks like it will cut a major
> > > about once a year, and that will also be a Grails major. I do not think
> > > we should also keep chasing each Spring Boot minor on the old Groovy
> > > line. Cleaner cutoff: a Grails line stays on the Spring Boot minor it
> > > shipped with, and the next Spring Boot minor lands on the new Groovy
> major.
> > >
> > > The merge cost is the main reason to skip an 8.1 release. Spring Boot
> > > 4.2 changes will not apply cleanly to the Groovy 6 work already on
> > > 9.0.x. They will apply to 9.1, which is where we want them. Doing that
> > > upgrade for an 8.1 release and again for 9.1 is the same work twice.
> > > Those changes might get merged to the wrong line, replayed, or dropped.
> > > We could try to keep lines working on both Spring Boot 4.1 (Grails
> 8.0.x
> > > and 9.0.x) and 4.2(Grails 8.1.x and 9.1.x), but that is not worth it
> for
> > > a line most people will leave quickly or skip entirely.
> > >
> > > 9.0 should be a short release. If it lands in late November or early
> > > December, 9.1 can follow soon after the Spring Boot 4.2 GA in Q1 2027.
> > > Users will likely move to latest Groovy, especially with the
> performance
> > > boost.
> > >
> > > This does not end 8.0.x. Patch releases on 8.0.x continue as usual. The
> > > only question is whether we spend a minor release moving Groovy 5 onto
> > > Spring Boot 4.2.
> > >
> > > Does this match what others expect for the next few months?
> > >
> > > Reasons that would change my mind: users who cannot move to Groovy 6, a
> > > compatibility promise we have already made, or a merge approach that is
> > > cheaper than it looks.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > James Fredley
> > > VP, Apache Grails
> > > PMC Chair
> > >
> >
>

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