Thanks for the explanation Guillaume. Just a quick question. I was wondering if, the same way Groovy has a mirror in Github, could it be possible to have the Groovy site published as a gh-pages? That would work as a possible documentation back-up in the future. Of course I don't mean to do it any time soon, but it could be a nice (partial) solution if any of this happens again in the future.
Mario 2016-05-22 20:20 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Laforge <glafo...@gmail.com>: > And... it's back now! > > Sorry again for the inconvenience, but this was really beyond our control > unfortunately. > > Regarding your points, Steve: > > 1) If a company is stupid to "abandon" a great language like Groovy, too > bad for them ;-) > > 2) Well, we can't control perception obviously, and I didn't envision a > simple DNS domain name transfer would fail so bad. Normally, this kind of > process should really be smooth. So it's really really unfortunate that the > ASF infra couldn't handle that appropriately and timely. To their defense, > it's mostly a team of non-paid volunteers, relying on services granted for > free by third-parties, and in this instance, it was really not a smooth and > reliable process. > > 3) We're at the wheel, don't worry, even if not full time like we used to. > Reverting the process wasn't possible, as once you've made the move to > transfer a domain name, you can't take it back, so I couldn't have been > able to reclaim it. And since the Apache foundation mandates that such > domain names be in their control, we would have had to go through that > process anyway. So reverting to try again later would have run the risk of > two such downtimes, which would be even worse. > > Guillaume > > On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Steve Byrne <sbyrne...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> What about backing out the change for now? This is looking really >> bad...think about how it looks from the outside: >> >> 1) Pivotal appears to "abandon" Groovy as a language -- does not send a >> positive signal about the language's future prospects >> >> 2) _Without warning_ the groovy-lang.org site *DISAPPEARS*. "Oh >> well,", people think, "looks like Groovy is done for. _Glad we did not >> make that decision to depend on Groovy for our go-forward technology_" >> >> 3) The problem isn't being corrected. This looks like either a) nobody >> is "a the wheel" (of the car), or b) the folks behind Groovy (whomever they >> are, again I am speaking as it would appear to the outside) are just really >> incompetent, and again "we're glad we did not decide to invest development >> resources into using Groovy", or, "Wow, after Pivotal abandoning Groovy, >> and now the whole Groovy lang site disappearing _in the middle of the >> night_", we'd better move off Groovy -- too much risk" >> >> *It's time to back out this change*. Get groovy-lang.org back on the >> air ASAP! Let Apache figure out their issue in parallel, but don't leave >> this gaping and bleeding wound untreated any longer. It really looks bad, >> and I think still at this point, Groovy as a language/runtime/technology >> cannot afford to look bad, after item 1 above happened. >> >> I really like Groovy and would hate to lose it because of this silly >> indecent. And, not having access to groovy-lang.org (and all the docs >> about the GDK) is hampering my development (yeah, I could have a local >> copy, that I replicate onto _each_ of my machines and keep up to date, but >> why bother?). >> >> Here's hoping you make the right decision, >> Steve >> >> On May 22, 2016, at 5:11 AM, Guillaume Laforge <glafo...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Pascal, >> >> Yes, please see my messages to the users list. >> >> Here's the Apache Infra ticket tracking this: >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-11843 >> >> We've launched the transfer of the domain name to the ASF, but >> unfortunately, this is not yet resolved :-( >> >> It's becoming painful, to say the list, and I get inquiries through >> emails, twitter and elsewhere about it... I hope the Infra team will be >> able to resolve that soon. It's already been so long :-( >> >> Guillaume >> >> On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Pascal Schumacher < >> pascalschumac...@gmx.net> wrote: >> >>> Hello everybody, >>> >>> http://www.groovy-lang.org/ seems down since Friday? >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Guillaume Laforge >> Apache Groovy committer & PMC Vice-President >> Product Ninja & Advocate at Restlet <http://restlet.com/> >> >> Blog: http://glaforge.appspot.com/ >> Social: @glaforge <http://twitter.com/glaforge> / Google+ >> <https://plus.google.com/u/0/114130972232398734985/posts> >> >> >> > > > -- > Guillaume Laforge > Apache Groovy committer & PMC Vice-President > Product Ninja & Advocate at Restlet <http://restlet.com> > > Blog: http://glaforge.appspot.com/ > Social: @glaforge <http://twitter.com/glaforge> / Google+ > <https://plus.google.com/u/0/114130972232398734985/posts> >
