Hi,
I think I have to agree with Eric. -1
Normally I would suggest to undo the trait changes in 5.0.7 and go with
that, but that would not help Grails either.
Is it a 5.1.0? Well the question is what comes after? If we "fix" the
reamining bug, does that lead to a reevaluation of who traits work and
then we get a 5.2 next? Also Anchored is a best effort to solve a
problem onlly 5.0.x introduced. Do we intend to keep that around? Is
Grails using that?
I really do not want to block things, but I the situation does currently
not feel exactly right.
I have a wish to Grails here. Could you write a test suite that covers
the Grails cases in "all" aspects? And I mean the way you expect the
things to work - in pure Groovy, without Grails of course. I think that
is better than this case-by-case and late discoveries process we
currently have.
bye Jochen
On 6/25/26 20:06, James Daugherty via dev wrote:
Hi Eric,
Would you be agreeable to a release of 5.1.0 or a milestone of 5.1.0
with these changes? Is your concern for any 5.x version or just the
5.0.x version?
Regards,
James
On Thu, Jun 25, 2026 at 2:02 PM James Fredley <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Eric,
I wanted to share some context on our current work to bring Groovy 5 support
into Apache Grails 8.
After the Groovy 5 release last year, Grails encountered several compatibility
challenges. The team has invested substantial effort, more than 75 iterations,
on this pull request to resolve the issues and enable Grails 8 to ship on the
stable Groovy 5.0.7 release alongside Spring Boot 4:
https://github.com/apache/grails-core/pull/15557
Without completing this work, we would likely need to release Apache Grails 8
on Apache Groovy 4 and then target Apache Groovy 6 for Apache Grails 9.
However, Grails 7 is built on Spring Boot 3.5.x, which reaches end of life on
June 30, 2026. This creates real pressure to deliver Grails 8 in a timely
manner.
For clarity, Apache Grails 9 will almost certainly target Apache Groovy 6
regardless.
On a more positive note, we have also improved our release validation process
with Canary builds. The previous joint validation approach primarily caught
issues in patch releases. The new process lets us test Grails against upcoming
Groovy versions much earlier and more comprehensively:
https://github.com/apache/grails-core/pull/15558
Thank you for your ongoing collaboration. I am happy to discuss timelines, the
remaining workarounds in the PR, or anything else that would help us coordinate
effectively.
Best regards,
James Fredley
VP, Apache Grails PMC
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On 2026/06/25 15:44:42 "Milles, Eric (TR Technology) via dev" wrote:
-1 (binding)
I do not think the trait static method change (GROOVY-11985) or the new
Anchored transform (GROOVY-12093) should have been done in a point-fix release.
GROOVY-12106 is evidence that one problem has been traded for another. There
was quite a bit of discussion, but IMO the behavior should have remained as-is
and Grails could investigate a workaround. Groovy 5 was in pre-release state
for an extended time. So, there was plenty of time to try it out and discuss
the trait changes.
Having Groovy 5.0.0 to 5.0.6 have one set of behaviors and then 5.0.7 onwards
do something else plus have GROOVY-12106 and possibly other issues is not a
good look.
If 11985 and 12093 were removed, I'm okay with the rest of 5.0.7. We could
then further weigh the possibilities for Groovy 5 and 6 WRT trait static member
references.
________________________________
From: Paul King <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2026 2:46 AM
To: Groovy_Developers <[email protected]>
Subject: [VOTE] Release Apache Groovy 5.0.7
Dear development community, I am happy to start the VOTE thread for a Groovy 5. 0.
7 release! This release includes 14 bug fixes/improvements as outlined in the
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Dear development community,
I am happy to start the VOTE thread for a Groovy 5.0.7 release!
This release includes 14 bug fixes/improvements as outlined in the changelog:
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Please vote on releasing this package as Apache Groovy 5.0.7.
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The vote is open for the next 72 hours and passes if a majority of at
least three +1 PMC votes are cast.
[ ] +1 Release Apache Groovy 5.0.7
[ ] 0 I don't have a strong opinion about this, but I assume it's ok
[ ] -1 Do not release Apache Groovy 5.0.7 because...
Here is my vote:
+1 (binding)
