Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Paulex Yang wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Paulex Yang wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Paulex Yang wrote:
Mikhail Loenko wrote:
I'm ok with that timeline. We probably need goals for "dotted"
releases also (like 5.1 where we can improve for example
performance)
I'm not sure, but I thought we can only release 5.0_01 if Sun
didn't have 5.1?
Why not?
There is a version of the spec, and a version of the
implementation, which are different.
If so, I prefer to Harmony 1.0(SE 5.0 compatible), 1.1(SE 5.0
compatible with performance enhancement) just like what Geronmo
does, rather than 5.0, 5.1, which is confusing.
I think we should consider 5.0, 5.1 simply for marketing reasons and
clarity.
If I tell you that I'm running my program under "Harmony 5.1.2", you
know exactly what spec version of Java I'm using, so you don't have
to do the math to figure it out. Yeah, it's easy for 5, but once we
have 7, that will have things like "Harmony 3.2.1" ?
I think it might make it easier for users.
But what if Sun ships Java SE 5.1 someday? if Harmony already has
5.1.2 which actually is Java SE 5.0 compatible, what should we do? It
may be not likely of Java 5, but possible for Java 6, 7...
If Sun ships a Java 5.1
a) I'll be really surprised
b) I will get over it and not care.
Sun ships an implementation of the spec. Yes, it's the RI, but the
version of their implementation is meaningful *to them*, because it
reflects things like bug fixes in their implementation, performance
improvements, etc.
IOW, comparing Harmony vX.Y.Z and Sun vX.Y.Z is meaningless, and
there's no way we can ever provide meaning.
However, if you are worried about that. I'm happy with
<main_spec_ver>.<minor_spec_ver>.<impl_patchlevel>
with minor_spec_ver being 0 always :)
My point is: this is confusing, either we keep the Java SE spec
version intact like 5.0_12, or we use totally different version
number, like Geronimo, 1.0->J2EE 1.4. I cannot see why Harmony 5.1.2
is more clear than Harmony 5.0_12?
Why do you consider it a spec version? There have been 7 updates to
Sun's release of Java 5 : 1.5.0_01 through 1.5.0_08 and 2 updates to
the java SE 5 spec. Clearly the updates to the binary are not spec
updates, but implementation updates.
I'm not so sure just like most users, that's why I think it is more
clear to keep "5.0" :).
How does IBM name their JRE releases?
This is output of IBM JDK on my machine, "1.5.0" is kept, and the patch
updates level are called "Service Refresh 2" (SR2)
> java -version:
java version "1.5.0"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build
pwi32dev-20060511 (SR2))
IBM J9 VM (build 2.3, J2RE 1.5.0 IBM J9 2.3 Windows XP x86-32
j9vmwi3223-20060504 (JIT enabled)
J9VM - 20060501_06428_lHdSMR
JIT - 20060428_1800_r8
GC - 20060501_AA)
JCL - 20060511a
geir
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Paulex Yang
China Software Development Lab
IBM
