On Dec 28, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Zakharov, Vasily M wrote:
Adding a mark to a JIRA comment sends a mail to commits list,
and may be easily filtered out of "ALL the JIRA traffic".
And as these messages are only interesting to committers,
I think it's more convenient to have them in commits list,
not the dev-list.
A few things :
1) They are not only interesting to committers, they are interesting
to everyone. People who aren't committers simply aren't committers -
yet-.
2) The dev list is a technical discussion list among humans. The
commits list is a utility list that carries commit messages and other
auto-generated stuff (like JIRA messages).
Also, that way you can search in JIRA database, in addition
to mail.
Ugh :)
Vasily
-----Original Message-----
From: Alexey Petrenko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Re: How to mark ready-to-integrate JIRAs?
2006/12/28, Zakharov, Vasily M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
You can skip, comitters do not skip, you are happy. Unbelievable?
I have nothing against the [tag] idea, I just wonder how would it
help.
What would be the difference of reading such marks and reading
harmony-commits list? :)
It's easy... commits list receives ALL the JIRA traffic. But messages
which needs additional community attention will be sent to dev. And
number of such issues is much less then ALL.
SY, Alexey
-----Original Message-----
From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 8:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: How to mark ready-to-integrate JIRAs?
On the 0x24D day of Apache Harmony Vasily M. Zakharov wrote:
maybe we adopt a new [tag] for traffic?
It seems to me, everybody would soon skip it without looking.
You can skip, comitters do not skip, you are happy. Unbelievable?
And those few who wouldn't, read harmony-commits list anyway and see
any
changes occuring.
It's better not to write a mail at all, than write it marking "this
is
non-important message,
don't read it" - the result is the same, but the traffic is higher
and
more time is spent.
And we already have a list for such "non-important" messages,
harmony-commits.
Vasily
-----Original Message-----
From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 1:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: How to mark ready-to-integrate JIRAs?
On Dec 27, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Zakharov, Vasily M wrote:
Hi, all,
There're many issues in our JIRA that can be closed or integrated
with no much effort. Issues with simple patches but with no
"patch available" flag set, "Won't Fix" issues, non-bug
differences
are all good examples.
And closing an issue (in a right way) is always good as it allows
that issue to be forgotten and put off everybody's mind - one
problem
less to think of.
But we have no effective instrument for a contributor to attract
a committer's attention to a particular small issue.
The dev list? Please?
For now the only way to do that is writing to the dev-list,
which is not very effective - we already have traffic high enough.
Moreover, that information is only relevant to committers, who are
minority (though very important) in the list - all other
contributors
would read such a message for nothing, wasting their time.
Not true! There are lots of benefits to this kind of thing, such as
raising more public awareness about the issue, let people with ideas
review and comment, etc
The other way used now to attract a committer's attention, is
setting
"Patch available" flag. But I can only set it on my own issues,
and setting it is probably not appopriate for "Won't Fix" issues.
Probably we could introduce some keyword, for example,
FIX_AVAILABLE,
that contributors could add to their comments to the respective
JIRAs
and committers could search for using conventional JIRA search?
This way the committers' reaction to patches could be faster and
choosing the right issue to put efforts to would be more
well-founded
and information-based for committers.
What do you think?
I'm going to be a stick in the mud here - the best way to get
people's attention should be dev list - maybe we adopt a new [tag]
for traffic?
geir
Vasily Zakharov
Intel Enterprise Solutions Software Division
--
Egor Pasko
