What is the advantages of a second Parrot VM?
Merging: Everyone can use sources and merge it already if the license
are compatible.
It need a completely new idea. Or same thing that is currently bad to
make it better. For example a faster VM with a new byte code. Or a Java
2.0 that remove some old stuf. For example with real generics.
But all this ideas have the same problem. The patents from Oracle. My
understanding is that it is not possible to create any VM without a
patent violation. Until Google solv the patent problems this project is
dead.
Volker
Am 14.03.2011 21:26, schrieb johann Sorel:
Hello,
I know I am not a contributor to harmony, yet if my opinion can help.
(My proposition was here :
http://harmony.markmail.org/search/?q=sorel#query:sorel%20from%3A%22johann%20Sorel%22+page:1+mid:bzifm5jshpviyyzz+state:results
)
So far, there are only two JVM remaining (if we exclude Google Dalvik not
really a jvm).
Oracle JDK and OpenJDK ('Oracle JDK-Express' as we can start hearing in
discussions).
I didn't have any comments about what the harmony developers think of the
Parrot VM projet. Personaly I joined there IRC channel several times to learn
how to build up my own language and they are quite friendly with already a
big/huge community. I truly think harmony could see a new future in this
direction. Someone reminded me that harmony must have some support from
companies to live on. Perhaps there is a way to find some financial support by
proposing to merge harmony and parrot. the Java developers and companies which
are frustrated by oracle would surely appreciate to have an exit door if oracle
continues to lock the java ecosystem and the perl/lua/python ecosystem would be
able to use the java libraries.
Apache foundation host a wide range of libraries, so imagine a second we could
run a batch to recompile all projects with a different bytecode community
driven by a mix of Apache/Parrot foundations. then deploy everything using the
newly compiled maven. we obtain a fair size number of libraries, community
driven, java language compatible, and an already existing community.
sounds like a reasonable java/oracle alternative to me :) , what about you ?
Sure, there is work to do but everything we need is already here. find an
agreement between apache and parrot foundations and merge things. at least try
to have a talk with them, it won't do any harm.
my 2 cents
johann sorel
-----Original Message-----
From: t.p.elli...@gmail.com
Sent: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:52:17 +0000
To: dev@harmony.apache.org
Subject: Rebooting the Harmony project
As will be obvious to regular readers of this list, the Apache Harmony
development community has seen a steady reduction in capacity over the
last few months.
Having a period of reflection and reassessment after the turmoil
surrounding the JCK licensing issue is natural, and there has been some
discussion about the project road map for moving forward with a new goal.
However, as a consequence of the current reduction in participation
there is no longer an active Harmony PMC quorum to oversee the actions
of the project. It is with great sadness that I'll be stepping down as
Chair of the PMC.
I feel it is too early to move Harmony to the Attic [1], yet we do need
to ensure there is proper oversight of the project's activities. We'll
be looking for a new Chair amongst the experienced Apache folks, and
have been discussing moving to a level of oversight/guidance by inviting
Incubator [2] mentors to join in our discussions.
The intention of these actions is to provide the time and space for
Harmony developers to decide where to contribute, and how to make best
use of the code we have all worked so hard on to date. As always,
comments, questions, and suggestions are most welcome.
[1] http://attic.apache.org/
[2] http://incubator.apache.org
Regards,
Tim
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