Thanks for the below input and the refresher on the apache way Bernd. It helps.
First off, in general, this PMC is pretty good at keeping it public. Quite a few questions up on private are first met with the response, 'why is this on the private mailing list?'. You can see for yourself being an Apache Member (I just OK'd your request to join the private mailing list too). More below. On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:22 AM, Bernd Fondermann <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 06:30, Stack <[email protected]> wrote: > There are two things here I think got mixed up. > a. who makes decisions > b. where are decisions being made > > Decisions about a project are made on public mailing lists. Only very > few things are to be discussed in private (new committers, new PMC > members, personal conflicts, security issues). > Discussing a new logo does not belong on closed lists, IMHO. Your quote from my mail is my recognizing that the logo arrival is dirty and am asking forgiveness for not operating sufficiently out in the open. The logo process was not done on these lists because it started out complicated and remained so till the end. Let me speed-frame you through it: more than one sponsor (not-aligned); a design firm (who definitely were not about 'the apache way'); personality clashes; an awkward dismissal; project owners working too hard so couldn't move project along; a stunted delivery; a rescue attempt; 99designs but the setup was done as private competition (a mistake in hindsight -- only 8 persons allowed vote up on the 99designs site); and even at the end designs contending with those of the 99design proposals. Some portion of the above could have been done out in the open -- the tail of it if I'd gone about it differently -- but the overall narrative would have been tough to bring along since some of the back and forth belonged up on private. Some of the above did not even make it out to the PMC private list (design firm interactions, personality clashes). I was the one trying to thread the logo through from start to finish navigating the ups and downs. I am the person responsible for the way it was delivered. I should have done a better job of it. If folks want to redo this process because it was not done out in the open, lets do it. St.Ack
