Also, just for your information, since I haven't seen it mentioned here yet, Apache recently developed a Foundation wide code of conduct: http://apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html . (Someone reminded me off list.) Please consider reviewing it if you haven't previously.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Andrew Purtell <[email protected]> wrote: > For those who are advocating moderation, would you be opposed if I propose > a 3 month ban for a vote? If you are not opposed, then we should be able to > achieve consensus here without needing a vote to take place. > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Nicolas Liochon <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > You’re a developer, or just some higher level primate that pounds code? >> >> And it's not the first time. A 3 month ban seems ok to me. >> >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Cody Marcel <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > Seems odd to create extra work for already crazy busy volunteers. You >> would >> > basically be moderating one individual. Just objectively look at whether >> > the value he adds to the community outweighs the time and emotional >> capitol >> > spent in these conversations. I suspect the fact the this thread is >> > happening is because some people have reached their limits to the abuse. >> > >> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 8:08 PM, lars hofhansl <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > Right. Hence the moderating or temporary ban. >> > > From: Andrew Purtell <[email protected]> >> > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> > > Cc: Hbase-User <[email protected]> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 7:28 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] correcting abusive behavior on mailing lists >> was >> > > (Re: [DISCUSS] Multi-Cluster HBase Client) >> > > >> > > Huh? This is not about being caremad over some technical issue, this >> is >> > > about preserving a productive space for communication free from toxic >> > > people casting abuse while being "funny" and "smart". Please go back >> on >> > the >> > > original thread and re-read the interaction with Sean. Are you going >> to >> > > defend that as within the bounds of acceptable behavior? Is this the >> > first >> > > time that has happened? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On Jun 30, 2015, at 5:58 PM, lars hofhansl <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Moderating is better than outright banning, I think.While Micheal is >> > > sometimes infuriating, he's also funny and smart. >> > > > Can we have a group of moderators? I'd volunteer, but not if I'm the >> > > only one. >> > > > >> > > > -- Lars >> > > > From: Stack <[email protected]> >> > > > To: Hbase-User <[email protected]> >> > > > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 12:25 PM >> > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] correcting abusive behavior on mailing lists >> was >> > > (Re: [DISCUSS] Multi-Cluster HBase Client) >> > > > >> > > >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Stack <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> I volunteer to help moderate. >> > > >> St.Ack >> > > > Sorry. Changed my mind. I'm not going to do more work because of >> > Michael. >> > > > Let the filters do the work for us. Ban him for 3 months. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > St.Ack >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> >> > > >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Sean Busbey < >> [email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > >>> >> > > >>> (I took the liberty of moving us off of Ted's feature discussion >> > > thread) >> > > >>> >> > > >>> A three month ban sounds better than a permanent ban. But it still >> > > seems >> > > >>> likely to just result in the ban-ee walking away from teh >> community >> > or >> > > >>> escalating. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Would we consider enforcing moderation on posts for the three >> month >> > > period >> > > >>> instead of an outright ban? >> > > >>> >> > > >>> It's more work for whomever has moderator rights on the mailing >> list, >> > > but >> > > >>> it provides a better feedback cycle for improved behavior. >> Presuming >> > > that >> > > >>> I >> > > >>> don't already have such access as a PMC member, I'd be willing to >> > > >>> volunteer >> > > >>> to help take on part of the burden. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> -Sean >> > > >>> >> > > >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Andrew Purtell < >> [email protected] >> > > >> > > >>> wrote: >> > > >>> >> > > >>>> It was suggested privately that we try a temporary ban first, to >> be >> > > >>> clear >> > > >>>> that current behavior and communication is unacceptable and >> won't be >> > > >>>> tolerated further, yet allow for the possibility of a return to >> the >> > > >>>> community should the message be received. So let me amend my >> > proposal >> > > - >> > > >>> a >> > > >>>> three month temporary ban. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Also, the reason I am asking for public feedback before calling >> for >> > a >> > > >>> vote >> > > >>>> is this would be the first time in the history of the project we >> > would >> > > >>> take >> > > >>>> this very unfortunate step. It pains me personally but enough is >> > > >>> enough, in >> > > >>>> my opinion. However, if you are not comfortable with that then >> > please >> > > >>> speak >> > > >>>> up and I won't ask the PMC to vote on this. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Andrew Purtell < >> > [email protected] >> > > > >> > > >>>> wrote: >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>>> I've had enough and would like to ask the user and dev >> communities >> > if >> > > >>>> they >> > > >>>>> would mind if we vote on a permanent ban of Michael Segal - any >> and >> > > >>> all >> > > >>>>> email accounts he may choose to set up - from all HBase mailing >> > > lists. >> > > >>>> The >> > > >>>>> basic lack of courtesy and constant naysaying is corrosive. >> Nobody >> > > >>> trying >> > > >>>>> to volunteer their time here deserves his continuing abuse. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Segel < >> > > >>>> [email protected]> >> > > >>>>> wrote: >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>>> Sean, >> > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> You’re a developer, or just some higher level primate that >> pounds >> > > >>> code? >> > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> I don’t want to embarrass you, but what do they teach in >> > engineering >> > > >>>>>> schools these days? >> > > >>>> >> >
