Any subjective criteria, such as "acting like a committer" open wide room for а power abuse of PMC members.
My 2c -Vlad On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Andrew Purtell <[email protected]> wrote: > By the way I think "act like a committer and you'll become a committer" is > pretty good advice for anyone looking to enter into participation in an > open source community, and a reasonable yardstick to judge candidates who > have been nominated. I also have no objection to documenting a list of > favorable attributes. I would hope every PMCer voting on candidates will be > fair and remember how they judged previous candidates, and be objective. I > give everyone the presumption of acting in good faith and that's enough > (for me). What makes me allergic to this discussion is words like > "prerequisite" and the implication that our current process has been unfair > or is not aligned with the Apache Way. I think that case should be made if > we need to make it. > > > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Andrew Purtell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > will lead to folks motivated wrongly, similar to oft maligned "resume > > driven development?" > > > > I find the need to have this discussion mildly offensive. Have we been > > unfair in offering committership? Do you have a specific example of > > something that looked improper? Can you name a committer whom you think > was > > offered committership without sufficient merit? Can you name any action > we > > have taken that smacks of "resume driven development"? > > > > I take the opposite view. I think the presumption of good faith in some > > communities has been ground down by inter-vendor conflicts and as a > result > > they are very litigious and everything must be super specified and "by > the > > book" according to some formal process that drains the spirit of the > Apache > > Way and is corrosive to everything that holds open source communities > > together. I don't think importing these ways to the HBase community is > > either necessary or wise at this time. > > > > I'd like nominations for committership and PMC to be addressed on a case > > by case basis. Perhaps we should have greater transparency in the welcome > > announcement. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Mike Drob <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hi folks, > >> > >> I've been chatting with folks off and on about this for a while, and was > >> told that this made sense as a discussion on the dev@ list. > >> > >> How does the PMC select folks for committership? The most common answer > is > >> that folks should 'act like a committer' but that's painfully nebulous > and > >> easy to get sidetracked onto other topics. The problem is compounded > >> because what may be great on one project is inconsistently applied on > >> other > >> projects in the ASF, and yet we are all very tightly coupled as > >> communities > >> and as project dependencies. > >> > >> Ideally, this is something that we can document in the book. Misty > gently > >> pointed out http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#_guide_for_hbase_ > committers > >> but > >> also noted that it's for what happens after somebody becomes a > committer. > >> Still, if the standard is "act like one until you become one" then it's > >> useful reading for people. Also, there doesn't seem to be any guidelines > >> like this for PMC. > >> > >> Is the list of prerequisites possible to articulate, or will it always > >> boil > >> down to "intangibles?" Is there a concern that providing a checklist > >> (perhaps a list of items necessary, but not sufficient) will lead to > folks > >> motivated wrongly, similar to oft maligned "resume driven development?" > >> > >> I'll kick off the discussion by saying that my personal yardstick of > "Can > >> I > >> trust this person's judgement regarding code/reviews" is probably too > >> vague > >> to be useful, and even worse is impossible for others to apply. > >> > >> Curiously, > >> Mike > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Andrew > > > > Words like orphans lost among the crosstalk, meaning torn from truth's > > decrepit hands > > - A23, Crosstalk > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Andrew > > Words like orphans lost among the crosstalk, meaning torn from truth's > decrepit hands > - A23, Crosstalk >
