Sure, let's do meetings every week, where morning/evening alternate. We can 
also schedule additional meetings if things are unresolved.

So next Wednesday, let's have a 10am PT meeting, and then the following 
Wednesday we can have a 10pm PT meeting (and so on). Does that sound reasonable?

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> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 15:10:13 -0800
> Subject: Re: Summary of IRC Meeting in #apachehelix
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
>
> Hi Kanak,
>
> I am new with Helix and just start playing around to get better grasp
> on how it works (got some help from Kishore along the way).
>
> I think regularly scheduled chat sessions are useful for newbies to
> stop by and ask questions or start discussions.
> We had it in Apache Shindig for a while and especially near release
> candidate generation.
>
> Not all people could attend due to the distributed nature of
> contributors so if it is going to have some IRC chat sessions maybe
> alternately done early morning and evening PST to accommodate most
> time zones.
>
>
> - Henry
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Kanak Biscuitwala <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Henry,
>>
>> We don't currently have scheduled meetings -- this one just happened ad-hoc. 
>> Do you think this is useful/valuable? If so, what frequency do you think 
>> makes sense?
>>
>> Other devs: same question.
>>
>> Kanak
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 13:16:35 -0800
>>> Subject: Re: Summary of IRC Meeting in #apachehelix
>>> From: [email protected]
>>> To: [email protected]
>>>
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>> Do you guys do this (IIRC chat) every Wednesdays?
>>>
>>> - Henry
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:16 PM, ASF IRC Bot
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Summary of IRC Meeting in #apachehelix at Wed Feb 26 05:50:29 2014:
>>>>
>>>> Attendees: zzhang1, gmcdonald, osgigeek1, kanakb, kishoreg1
>>>>
>>>> - Preface
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IRC log follows:
>>>>
>>>> ## Preface ##
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:50:35 2014] <gmcdonald>: cool
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:50:38 2014] <kanakb>: sweet
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:50:44 2014] <gmcdonald>: Im outta here, enjoy
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:51:23 2014] <kanakb>: okay anyway
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:51:43 2014] <kanakb>: i think we can use the pattern that 
>>>> osgigeek1 suggested
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:52:07 2014] <kanakb>: i.e.
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:52:21 2014] <kanakb>: new 
>>>> HelixAdministratorBuilder.usingProvider(HelixStoreProvider.ZOOKEEPER).toAddress(zkAddress).build();
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:52:37 2014] <kanakb>: and
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:53:00 2014] <kanakb>: new 
>>>> HelixAdministratorBuilder.usingProvider(HelixStoreProvider.MYDB).username(username).host(hostname).build()
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:54:19 2014] <kishoreg1>: looks good,
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:54:50 2014] <kishoreg1>: Sandeep, is Provider the right 
>>>> term ?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:55:00 2014] <osgigeek1>: yes provider is the right term here
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:55:30 2014] <kishoreg1>: ok, sounds good
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:55:52 2014] <osgigeek1>: ok so we now have an instance of 
>>>> HelixAdmin
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:55:59 2014] <kanakb>: ok now how does a participant get an 
>>>> admin?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:56:16 2014] <kanakb>: participant.getAdmin()?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:56:22 2014] <kanakb>: spectator.getAdmin()?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:57:05 2014] <kanakb>: or it could even be a getter within 
>>>> the service class if we go that direction
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:57:58 2014] <kanakb>: but i guess we can come back to that
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:58:01 2014] <osgigeek1>: so before we go to participant 
>>>> should we capture what APIs hang off the HelixAdmin or HelixAdministrator?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:58:07 2014] <kanakb>: yeah sure
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:58:43 2014] <kishoreg1>: we have two options
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:58:59 2014] <kishoreg1>: #1. flat methods similar to what 
>>>> we have
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 05:59:49 2014] <kishoreg1>: create/delete/update/read 
>>>> cluster|resource|instance| etc
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:00:33 2014] <kishoreg1>: there will be too many methods in 
>>>> this
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:00:54 2014] <kishoreg1>: #2. heirarchical based on scope
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:01:04 2014] <kishoreg1>: based on scope/entity
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:01:26 2014] <kishoreg1>: clusteradmin resourceadmin 
>>>> instanceadmin
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:01:44 2014] <osgigeek1>: I prefer #1
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:02:37 2014] <kishoreg1>: how many methods do we think we 
>>>> will have in this interface
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:02:40 2014] <kishoreg1>: 100?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:02:59 2014] <kanakb>: probably 50
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:03:07 2014] <kanakb>: there are some things we can 
>>>> consolidate
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:03:10 2014] <kishoreg1>: ok
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:03:20 2014] <kanakb>: e.g. the things that involve 
>>>> userconfig
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:03:25 2014] <kanakb>: those can take scope as a parameter
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:03:55 2014] <kishoreg1>: sandeep, you should look at the 
>>>> api's in the current helixadmin
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:03:57 2014] <osgigeek1>: so why do we think it will be 50?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:04:20 2014] <kanakb>: the current number of helixadmin 
>>>> method calls is like 20-30
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:04:20 2014] <osgigeek1>: looking at it now
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:04:31 2014] <kanakb>: so say it doubles because we cover 
>>>> more use cases
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:04:34 2014] <kanakb>: then it's 50
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:04:43 2014] <kishoreg1>: there are too many combinations i 
>>>> think, we need to figure out how to reduce this
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:05:33 2014] <osgigeek1>: Can we consider like a command 
>>>> pattern?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:05:48 2014] <osgigeek1>: like I see several 
>>>> addResource(param….)
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:05:58 2014] <osgigeek1>: instead how about 
>>>> addResource(ResourceCommand)
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:06:15 2014] <kishoreg1>: i like that
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:06:16 2014] <osgigeek1>: the command encapsulates the 
>>>> different params
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:06:24 2014] <osgigeek1>: that way we can decipher from the 
>>>> command
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:06:40 2014] <kanakb>: well, if we're adding using 
>>>> ResourceConfig like in the wiki, then is this still necessary?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:08:14 2014] <kishoreg1>: probably yes,
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:08:28 2014] <kishoreg1>: lets say we want to only update 
>>>> provisionerconfig
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:08:36 2014] <kishoreg1>: we have two options delta
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:12:01 2014] <osgigeek1>: So kanakb I think if command == 
>>>> config and that was the notion then we can go with config
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:12:31 2014] <osgigeek1>: but it appears kishoreg1 is 
>>>> pointing to the something missing
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:13:11 2014] <kishoreg1>: its along the same line but its 
>>>> too generic
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:13:30 2014] <kishoreg1>: There is only one ResourceCommand
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:14:03 2014] <kanakb>: are you suggesting something like
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:14:14 2014] <kanakb>: administrateResource(command, args)
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:14:17 2014] <kanakb>: or something to that effect?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:14:33 2014] <kishoreg1>: nope
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:15:15 2014] <kishoreg1>: currently we have 
>>>> updateResource(ResourceCommand)
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:16:07 2014] <kishoreg1>: but the usecases are updating 
>>>> partitions, replicas, rebalancerconfig, provisionerconfig etc
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:19:37 2014] <kishoreg1>: 
>>>> https://github.com/apache/helix/blob/master/helix-core/src/main/java/org/apache/helix/HelixAdmin.java
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:22:11 2014] <kishoreg1>: what do u guys think
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:23:15 2014] <osgigeek1>: I did not quite follow the part 
>>>> where kishoreg1 you point to updating partitions, replicas, 
>>>> rebalancerconfig etc can you elaborate?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:23:59 2014] <kishoreg1>: after the resource is created
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:24:42 2014] <kishoreg1>: we might have to update some parts 
>>>> of the resources, for example change the number of partitions from 10 to 20
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:24:46 2014] <osgigeek1>: ah gotcha
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:24:50 2014] <kishoreg1>: we have two options
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:25:17 2014] <kishoreg1>: have a method called 
>>>> updateParitionNumber(resourceId, numberof partitions)
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:25:30 2014] <kishoreg1>: or updateResource(ResourceConfig)
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:25:45 2014] <kishoreg1>: 
>>>> updateResource(ResourceConfig.Delta)
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:25:51 2014] <osgigeek1>: now I follow
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:25:54 2014] <kishoreg1>: ok
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:26:18 2014] <kishoreg1>: so if we just have one method for 
>>>> all operations, its too overloaded
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:28:34 2014] <osgigeek1>: ok so lets look at the primary 
>>>> entities here
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:29:01 2014] <osgigeek1>: (1) cluster (2) resource (3) 
>>>> instance
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:29:04 2014] <osgigeek1>: am I correct?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:29:25 2014] <kanakb>: arguably partition
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:29:33 2014] <osgigeek1>: ok so 4
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:30:07 2014] <osgigeek1>: so what if we think of having CRUD 
>>>> operations for those through commands on the HelixAdmin
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:30:42 2014] <osgigeek1>: everything else which is not a 
>>>> primary entity lets say we model on the Command or as a derived object off 
>>>> the correct Command?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:31:26 2014] <kishoreg1>: others I can think of are adding 
>>>> statemodel, constraints etc
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:31:29 2014] <osgigeek1>: e.g. ResourceCommand, 
>>>> ResourceReplicaCommand extends ResourceCommand? or should the 
>>>> ResourceCommand have Replica as a composite ?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:31:59 2014] <kishoreg1>: hmm thinking
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:32:11 2014] <osgigeek1>: I am thinking of statemodel, 
>>>> constraints all as parts that can be attached to the primary entities
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:32:25 2014] <osgigeek1>: arguably not attacheable to all 
>>>> but most I imagine
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:32:30 2014] <kishoreg1>: yes
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:33:10 2014] <kishoreg1>: why should it extend 
>>>> resourcecommand
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:34:02 2014] <osgigeek1>: on a second thought no lets not 
>>>> extend it, the more I think the more little sense it makes
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:34:19 2014] <osgigeek1>: I think this is what kanakb 
>>>> modelled in his wiki
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:34:33 2014] <osgigeek1>: a builder which allows attaching 
>>>> the composites into one command
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:34:39 2014] <osgigeek1>: or in his case config
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:35:26 2014] <osgigeek1>: So we have a command builder
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:35:48 2014] <osgigeek1>: 
>>>> ResourceCommandBuilder().usingStateModel().withConstraints().build()
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:36:03 2014] <osgigeek1>: 
>>>> InstanceCommandBuilder().withConstraints().build()
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:36:30 2014] <kishoreg1>: hmm
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:36:56 2014] <osgigeek1>: so the key thing I am after is 
>>>> separating the primary entities
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:37:01 2014] <osgigeek1>: and calling them out at the top 
>>>> level
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:37:10 2014] <kishoreg1>: do we need builder pattern for 
>>>> commands
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:38:57 2014] <osgigeek1>: Lets ask this question a bit 
>>>> differently
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:39:17 2014] <osgigeek1>: how well defined are the commands, 
>>>> do we think they are pretty well formalized? Do we foresee them changing ?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:40:01 2014] <zzhang1>: we may add new fields to the configs
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:40:16 2014] <kishoreg1>: they might change but most likely 
>>>> we will be adding new stuff
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:40:33 2014] <kishoreg1>: yeah, agree with jason
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:40:42 2014] <osgigeek1>: the new stuff added would that be 
>>>> in existing buckets of statemodel, constraints? I imagine yes
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:41:01 2014] <kishoreg1>: yes,
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:41:41 2014] <osgigeek1>: my instinct tells me its better to 
>>>> hide the command objects and give builders
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:41:52 2014] <osgigeek1>: but you guys would be better judges
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:42:29 2014] <osgigeek1>: when I say hide I mean not give 
>>>> out the setters
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:42:30 2014] <kishoreg1>: we can come to builders v/s 
>>>> concrete after we decide how many command classes we will have
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:42:40 2014] <osgigeek1>: yeah lets do that
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:43:16 2014] <kishoreg1>: lets take simple cases like change 
>>>> partition, replica
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:43:32 2014] <osgigeek1>: ok
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:43:45 2014] <kishoreg1>: or some flags in idealstate like 
>>>> enable/disable
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:44:01 2014] <kanakb>: enable/disable resource?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:44:21 2014] <kishoreg1>: resource, bucketization, group 
>>>> message mode
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:44:24 2014] <kishoreg1>: etc
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:44:32 2014] <kanakb>: right
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:45:16 2014] <kishoreg1>: so we have these options
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:46:07 2014] <kishoreg1>: #1 direct method in helixadmin 
>>>> admin.updateNumPartitions(resourceId, 20)
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:47:06 2014] <kishoreg1>: #2. config delta method, 
>>>> resource.delta= …, delta.setpartitions(20), 
>>>> admin.updateresource(resourcedelta)
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:47:33 2014] <zzhang1>: i prefer #2, it saves lots of 
>>>> admin#methods
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:47:45 2014] <osgigeek1>: may I ask this and you will see 
>>>> where I am going with this… what do we return on 
>>>> helixAdmin.addResource(ResourceCommand)
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:48:04 2014] <osgigeek1>: void? HelixResource?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:48:20 2014] <kishoreg1>: #3. command pattern 
>>>> UpdatePartitionCommand.updatePartitions(20) admin.updateResource(command);
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:48:34 2014] <kishoreg1>: dunno
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:48:58 2014] <kishoreg1>: i will be back in 10-15 minutes
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:48:59 2014] <zzhang1>: currently we are returning void
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:49:37 2014] <kanakb>: i think it should either: return 
>>>> boolean or throw a meaningful checked exception
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:49:59 2014] <osgigeek1>: so should we return a 
>>>> HelixResource?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:50:17 2014] <osgigeek1>: rather I meant to ask why not 
>>>> return a HelixResource?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:51:12 2014] <kanakb>: a resource is a resource config plus 
>>>> runtime state, like its external view
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:51:18 2014] <kanakb>: initially this external view will 
>>>> always be empty
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:51:38 2014] <kanakb>: so it's not super useful to just 
>>>> return that
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:52:24 2014] <kishoreg1>: thats another item, shud we mix 
>>>> runtime and static info in one class
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:52:48 2014] <kishoreg1>: prefer to defer that to a later 
>>>> stage
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:52:51 2014] <osgigeek1>: ok
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:53:05 2014] <osgigeek1>: the reason for the question was
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:53:24 2014] <osgigeek1>: if we return the object we could 
>>>> have ResourceCommand.using(object)
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:53:29 2014] <osgigeek1>: that creates an updateCommand
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:53:37 2014] <osgigeek1>: which then can carry existing state
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:53:58 2014] <kanakb>: the hope is that you don't need 
>>>> existing state in order to make an incremental update
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:54:34 2014] <osgigeek1>: ok so lets forget that route for 
>>>> now, lets go back to the 3 options from kishoreg1
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:54:48 2014] <osgigeek1>: I am leaning towards #3
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:55:03 2014] <kanakb>: yeah i like #3 as well
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:55:48 2014] <kanakb>: zzhang1: is #3 generic enough to 
>>>> support things like monitoring config?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:55:52 2014] <kanakb>: my intuition is yes
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:55:59 2014] <zzhang1>: yea
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:56:49 2014] <zzhang1>: for #3, shall we have a command 
>>>> pattern for updating each field?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:57:34 2014] <kishoreg1>: what ever makes sense
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:57:51 2014] <osgigeek1>: zzhang1: I think yes that way we 
>>>> remove APIs like setResourceIdealState from the HelixAdmin
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:57:52 2014] <zzhang1>: ok
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:58:03 2014] <kanakb>: can we do something like 
>>>> updateResource(ResourceCommand... commands)?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:58:25 2014] <kishoreg1>: compositecommands?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:58:28 2014] <osgigeek1>: ooh, multiple commands you mean?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:58:47 2014] <kanakb>: yeah or a composite command
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:58:57 2014] <osgigeek1>: I think we dont do that for the 
>>>> first iteration
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:59:08 2014] <kanakb>: i would imagine that there are 
>>>> certain configs that we'd like to set together as an atomic unit
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:59:19 2014] <osgigeek1>: what happens if some commands fail 
>>>> and some succeed
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:59:20 2014] <kishoreg1>: yeah i was thinking the same
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:59:31 2014] <kishoreg1>: same as kanakb
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:59:41 2014] <kishoreg1>: for example if i want to change 
>>>> both partition and replica
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 06:59:44 2014] <kanakb>: osgigeek1: then they should all 
>>>> succeed or all fail
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:00:03 2014] <kanakb>: and it's our responsibility to 
>>>> guarantee that
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:00:25 2014] <kanakb>: fortunately this is generally easy to 
>>>> guarantee in the ZK case
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:00:38 2014] <kanakb>: as long as things don't span znodes
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:00:58 2014] <osgigeek1>: kanakb: if we can guarantee that 
>>>> then sure, I was concerned that it might not be possible given the 
>>>> distributed nature of the system
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:01:46 2014] <kanakb>: there is one interesting case
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:01:48 2014] <kishoreg1>: kanakb: how can we gaurantee 
>>>> things that span multiple znodes
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:01:58 2014] <kanakb>: we'd need to do a rollback or 
>>>> something
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:02:10 2014] <kanakb>: so maybe it's not so easy
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:02:23 2014] <kanakb>: hmm
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:02:50 2014] <kanakb>: right now all our admin apis work on 
>>>> a single znode
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:02:56 2014] <kanakb>: but now that won't be true
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:03:21 2014] <kishoreg1>: yeah, we have rely on the spi to 
>>>> make it atomic
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:03:44 2014] <kishoreg1>: but we might need composite 
>>>> commands
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:04:01 2014] <kishoreg1>: for example what if we want to 
>>>> update both partitions and replicas
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:04:10 2014] <kanakb>: right
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:04:23 2014] <kanakb>: so we either need to allow multiple 
>>>> commands, or a single command that does multiple things
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:04:29 2014] <osgigeek1>: kishoreg1: we should model that as 
>>>> one command which carries both partition change and replica change
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:04:49 2014] <kanakb>: i.e. 
>>>> ResourceCommand.partitions(10).replicas(3)?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:04:53 2014] <osgigeek1>: yes
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:05:19 2014] <zzhang1>: btw, i think commands like 
>>>> addCluster() will cross multiple znodes
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:05:41 2014] <kanakb>: which brings in the atomic api issues
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:06:12 2014] <kishoreg1>: its upto the implementation, we 
>>>> shud assume all api's are atomic
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:06:36 2014] <osgigeek1>: I think we should make that a 
>>>> principle of the command APIs
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:06:36 2014] <kishoreg1>: we can use multitransaction 
>>>> updates in ZK
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:06:52 2014] <kanakb>: are those available in 3.3.x?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:07:09 2014] <kishoreg1>: nope 3.4.5 i think
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:07:14 2014] <kishoreg1>: but u already have locks
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:07:18 2014] <kanakb>: yeah
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:07:21 2014] <kanakb>: i was going to say
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:07:27 2014] <kishoreg1>: so its ok to rely on that
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:07:44 2014] <kishoreg1>: what u have is better than multi 
>>>> transactions i think
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:08:09 2014] <kanakb>: well yes and no
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:08:30 2014] <kishoreg1>: anyhow 
>>>> ResourceCommand.partitions(1) will return a type of ResourceCommand?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:09:39 2014] <osgigeek1>: yes, the builder should allow 
>>>> changing any of the facets i.e. partition or replica of the entity i.e. 
>>>> Resource in this case
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:09:47 2014] <kanakb>: chaining probably isn't possible 
>>>> unless we change it to new ResourceCommand().partitions(1)
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:10:26 2014] <kishoreg1>: ok, i am not good at builder 
>>>> patterns, i hope we dont have too many classes
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:10:38 2014] <kanakb>: that would just be 1 class
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:10:45 2014] <osgigeek1>: yes
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:10:56 2014] <kishoreg1>: ok
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:11:07 2014] <osgigeek1>: i.e. agree with kanakb
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:11:36 2014] <kishoreg1>: ok
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:13:26 2014] <osgigeek1>: ok well I might have to drop off 
>>>> in a few mins … do you guys plan to carry on for long?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:13:36 2014] <kanakb>: probably not too long
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:13:43 2014] <kishoreg1>: i think we shud take break as well
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:13:44 2014] <kanakb>: at least we have some direction with 
>>>> admin now
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:14:03 2014] <kishoreg1>: lets write the apis for 
>>>> administrator and see how it looks
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:14:13 2014] <kishoreg1>: i need to get going as well
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:15:05 2014] <kanakb>: ok let's end here?
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:15:10 2014] <osgigeek1>: well this was good, we made good 
>>>> progress, yeah lets end
>>>> [Wed Feb 26 07:15:37 2014] <kanakb>: ASFBot: meeting end
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Meeting ended at Wed Feb 26 07:15:37 2014
>>
                                          

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