Hi Junkai,

Thanks for the clarification. That helped a lot.

I our case, each of the task of the workflow are depending on the previous
task. So there is no parallel execution. And we are not using Job Queues.

Regarding the expiry time, what are the rules that you are imposing on
that? For example let's say I setup an expiry time to 2 hours, I assume
following situations are covered in Helix,

1. Even though the workflow is completed before 2 hours, resources related
to that workflow will not be cleared until 2 hours are elapsed and exactly
after 2 hours, all the resources will be cleared by the framework.
2. If the workflow failed, resources will not be cleared even after 2 hours
3. If the workflow wasn't scheduled within 2 hours in a participant, it
will be deleted

Is my understanding correct?

Thanks
Dimuthu


On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 4:26 PM Xue Junkai <junkai....@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Dimuthu,
>
> Couple things here:
> 1. Only JobQueue in Helix is single branch DAG and 1 job running at a time
> with defining parallel job number to be 1. Otherwise, you may see many jobs
> running at same time as you set parallel job number to be a different
> number. For generic workflow, all jobs without dependencies could be
> dispatched together.
> 2. Helix only cleans up the completed generic workflows by deleting all
> the related znode, not for JobQueue. For JobQueue you have to set up
> periodical purge time. As Helix defined, JobQueue never finishes and only
> can be terminated by manual kill and it can keep accepting dynamic jobs.
> Thus you have to understand your workflow is generic workflow or JobQueue.
> For failed generic workflow, even if you setup the expiry time, Helix will
> not clean it up as Helix would like to keep it for user further
> investigation.
> 3. For Helix controller, if Helix failed to clean up workflows, the only
> thing you can see is the having workflows with context but no resource
> config and idealstate there. This is because of ZK write fail to clean last
> piece, context node. And there is no ideal state can trigger clean up again
> for this workflow.
>
> Please take a look for this task framework tutorial for detailed
> configurations:
> https://helix.apache.org/0.8.2-docs/tutorial_task_framework.html
>
> Best,
>
> Junkai
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 8:29 AM DImuthu Upeksha <
> dimuthu.upeks...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Junkai,
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification. There are few special properties in our
>> workflows. All the workflows are single branch DAGs so there will be only
>> one job running at a time. By looking at the log, I could see that only
>> the
>> task with this error has been failed. Cleanup agent deleted this workflow
>> after this task is failed so it is clear that no other task is triggering
>> this issue (I checked the timestamp).
>>
>> However for the instance, I disabled the cleanup agent for a while. Reason
>> for adding this agent is because Helix became slow to schedule pending
>> jobs
>> when the load is high and participant was waiting without running anything
>> for few minutes. We discussed this on thread "Sporadic delays in task
>> execution". Before implementing this agent, I noticed that, there were
>> lots
>> of uncleared znodes related to Completed and Failed workflows and I though
>> that was the reason to slow down controller / participant. After
>> implementing this agent, things went smoothly until this point.
>>
>> Now I understand that you have your own workflow cleanup logic implemented
>> in Helix but we might need to tune it to our case. Can you point me into
>> code / documentation where I can have an idea about that?
>>
>> And this for my understanding, let's say that for some reason Helix failed
>> to clean up completed workflows and related resources in zk. Will that
>> affect to the performance of controller / participant? My understanding
>> was
>> that Helix was registering zk watchers for all the paths irrespective of
>> the status of the workflow/ job/ task. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dimuthu
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 1:49 AM Xue Junkai <junkai....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > It is possible. For example, if other jobs caused the workflow failed,
>> it
>> > will trigger the monitoring to clean up the workflow. Then if this job
>> is
>> > still running, you may see the problem. That's what I am trying to ask
>> for,
>> > extra thread deleting/cleaning workflows.
>> >
>> > I can understand it clean up the failed workflow. But I am wondering why
>> > not just set expiry and let Helix controller does the clean up for
>> > completed workflows.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 1:30 PM DImuthu Upeksha <
>> > dimuthu.upeks...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Junkai,
>> >>
>> >> There is a cleanup agent [1] who is monitoring currently available
>> >> workflows and deleting completed and failed workflows to clear up
>> >> zookeeper
>> >> storage. Do you think that this will be causing this issue?
>> >>
>> >> [1]
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://github.com/apache/airavata/blob/staging/modules/airavata-helix/helix-spectator/src/main/java/org/apache/airavata/helix/impl/controller/WorkflowCleanupAgent.java
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Dimuthu
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 11:14 PM DImuthu Upeksha <
>> >> dimuthu.upeks...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi Junkai,
>> >> >
>> >> > There is no manual workflow killing logic implemented but as you have
>> >> > suggested, I need to verify that. Unfortunately all the helix log
>> >> levels in
>> >> > our servers were set to WARN as helix is printing a whole lot of
>> logs in
>> >> > INFO level so there is no much valuable information in logs. Can you
>> >> > specify which class is printing logs associated for workflow
>> termination
>> >> > and I'll enable DEBUG level for that class and observe further.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> > Dimuthu
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 9:18 PM Xue Junkai <junkai....@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hmm, that's very strange. The user content store znode only has been
>> >> >> deleted when the workflow is gone. From the log, it shows the znode
>> is
>> >> >> gone. Could you please try to dig the log to find whether the
>> workflow
>> >> has
>> >> >> been manually killed? If that's the case, then it is possible you
>> have
>> >> the
>> >> >> problem.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 12:13 PM DImuthu Upeksha <
>> >> >> dimuthu.upeks...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Hi Junkai,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks for your suggestion. You have captured most of the parts
>> >> >> correctly.
>> >> >> > There are two jobs as job1 and job2. And there is a dependency
>> that
>> >> job2
>> >> >> > depends on job1. Until job1 is completed job2 should not be
>> >> scheduled.
>> >> >> And
>> >> >> > task 1 in job 1 is calling that method and it is not updating
>> >> anyone's
>> >> >> > content. It's just putting and value in workflow level. What do
>> you
>> >> >> mean my
>> >> >> > keeping a key-value store in workflow level? I already use that
>> key
>> >> >> value
>> >> >> > store given by helix by calling putUserContent method.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > public void sendNextJob(String jobId) {
>> >> >> >     putUserContent(WORKFLOW_STARTED, "TRUE", Scope.WORKFLOW);
>> >> >> >     if (jobId != null) {
>> >> >> >         putUserContent(NEXT_JOB, jobId, Scope.WORKFLOW);
>> >> >> >     }
>> >> >> > }
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Dimuthu
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 2:48 PM Xue Junkai <junkai....@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > In my understanding, it could be you have job1 and job2. The
>> task
>> >> >> running
>> >> >> > > in job1 tries to update content for job2. Then, there could be a
>> >> race
>> >> >> > > condition happening here that job2 is not scheduled.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > If that's the case, I suggest you can put key-value store at
>> >> workflow
>> >> >> > level
>> >> >> > > since this is cross-job operation.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Best,
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Junkai
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 11:45 AM DImuthu Upeksha <
>> >> >> > > dimuthu.upeks...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > > Hi Junkai,
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > This method is being called inside a running task. And it is
>> >> working
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > > > most of the time. I only saw this in 2 occasions for last few
>> >> months
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > > > both of them happened today and yesterday.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Thanks
>> >> >> > > > Dimuthu
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 2:40 PM Xue Junkai <
>> junkai....@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > > User content store node will be created one the job has been
>> >> >> > scheduled.
>> >> >> > > > In
>> >> >> > > > > your case, I think the job is not scheduled. This method
>> >> usually
>> >> >> has
>> >> >> > > been
>> >> >> > > > > utilized in running task.
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > Best,
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > Junkai
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 8:19 AM DImuthu Upeksha <
>> >> >> > > > dimuthu.upeks...@gmail.com
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > wrote:
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > Hi Helix Folks,
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > I'm having this sporadic issue in some tasks of our
>> workflows
>> >> >> when
>> >> >> > we
>> >> >> > > > try
>> >> >> > > > > > to store a value in the workflow context and I have added
>> >> both
>> >> >> code
>> >> >> > > > > section
>> >> >> > > > > > and error message below. Do you have an idea what's
>> causing
>> >> >> this?
>> >> >> > > > Please
>> >> >> > > > > > let me know if you need further information. We are using
>> >> Helix
>> >> >> > 0.8.2
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > public void sendNextJob(String jobId) {
>> >> >> > > > > >     putUserContent(WORKFLOW_STARTED, "TRUE",
>> Scope.WORKFLOW);
>> >> >> > > > > >     if (jobId != null) {
>> >> >> > > > > >         putUserContent(NEXT_JOB, jobId, Scope.WORKFLOW);
>> >> >> > > > > >     }
>> >> >> > > > > > }
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > Failed to setup environment of task
>> >> >> > > > > > TASK_55096de4-2cb6-4b09-84fd-7fdddba93435
>> >> >> > > > > > java.lang.NullPointerException: null
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > org.apache.helix.task.TaskUtil$1.update(TaskUtil.java:358)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > org.apache.helix.task.TaskUtil$1.update(TaskUtil.java:356)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> org.apache.helix.manager.zk.HelixGroupCommit.commit(HelixGroupCommit.java:126)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> org.apache.helix.manager.zk.ZkCacheBaseDataAccessor.update(ZkCacheBaseDataAccessor.java:306)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> org.apache.helix.store.zk.AutoFallbackPropertyStore.update(AutoFallbackPropertyStore.java:61)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> org.apache.helix.task.TaskUtil.addWorkflowJobUserContent(TaskUtil.java:356)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> org.apache.helix.task.UserContentStore.putUserContent(UserContentStore.java:78)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> org.apache.airavata.helix.core.AbstractTask.sendNextJob(AbstractTask.java:136)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > > > org.apache.airavata.helix.core.OutPort.invoke(OutPort.java:42)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> org.apache.airavata.helix.core.AbstractTask.onSuccess(AbstractTask.java:123)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> org.apache.airavata.helix.impl.task.AiravataTask.onSuccess(AiravataTask.java:97)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> org.apache.airavata.helix.impl.task.env.EnvSetupTask.onRun(EnvSetupTask.java:52)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> org.apache.airavata.helix.impl.task.AiravataTask.onRun(AiravataTask.java:349)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> >
>> org.apache.airavata.helix.core.AbstractTask.run(AbstractTask.java:92)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> org.apache.helix.task.TaskRunner.run(TaskRunner.java:71)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >>
>> java.util.concurrent.Executors$RunnableAdapter.call(Executors.java:511)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(FutureTask.java:266)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> java.util.concurrent.ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor$ScheduledFutureTask.access$201(ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor.java:180)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> java.util.concurrent.ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor$ScheduledFutureTask.run(ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor.java:293)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1149)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:624)
>> >> >> > > > > >         at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:748)
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > Thanks
>> >> >> > > > > > Dimuthu
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > --
>> >> >> > > > > Junkai Xue
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > --
>> >> >> > > Junkai Xue
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Junkai Xue
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Junkai Xue
>> >
>>
>
>
> --
> Junkai Xue
>

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