This is certainly very helpful, thank you. Do you have any cycles to devote to this issue at the moment, or in the near future?
-----Original Message----- From: Thejas Nair [mailto:thejas.n...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 2:32 PM To: dev Subject: Re: Request for feedback on work intent for non-equijoin support Yes, the theta join paper in northeastern is a good place to start. There is also a presentation from the folks in youtube, which is also very useful. I had a look at this issue as well earlier, and I had written up a rough proposal. I had not organized the document well enough for sharing publicly, but in case you find it useful, I have attached it to wiki - https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27362075/theta%20join%20proposal%20-%20thejas.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1428517702954&api=v2 It also includes a list of some of the changes that are needed (it is probably not comprehensive enough). On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 5:49 AM, <andres.qui...@parc.com> wrote: > So, I'd like to get started on this. The description in the design doc and > the theta join paper from Northeastern seem like a good place to start, to > have a baseline that I can later use for the more specific join algorithms I > want to try. > > I created a JIRA account, and my username is Andres.Quiroz > > Brock, since I'm completely new to this code, could you (or anyone else) > please point me to the relevant modules to start learning and ramping up? > Also, please let me know if I can contact you directly for discussing this > specific topic, or if I should always send a message to the mailing list. > > Thank you, > > Andrés > > -----Original Message----- > From: andres.qui...@parc.com [mailto:andres.qui...@parc.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 9:07 AM > To: dev@hive.apache.org > Subject: RE: Request for feedback on work intent for non-equijoin > support > > This is a great pointer, Szehon and Brock, thank you. I will catch up with > the material on theta joins and circle back. > > Andrés > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brock Noland [mailto:br...@apache.org] > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 1:31 AM > To: dev@hive.apache.org > Subject: Re: Request for feedback on work intent for non-equijoin > support > > Nice, it'd be great if someone finally implemented this :) > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Szehon Ho <sze...@cloudera.com> wrote: >> From Hive side, there has been some thought on the subject here: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/Hive/Theta+Join, it has >> some ideas but nobody has gotten around to giving it a try. It might >> be of interest. >> >> Thanks >> Szehon >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Lefty Leverenz >> <leftylever...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> D'oh! Thanks Chao. >>> >>> -- Lefty >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 12:59 AM, Chao Sun <c...@cloudera.com> wrote: >>> >>> > Hey Lefty, >>> > >>> > You need to use the ftp protocol, not http. >>> > After clicking the link, you'll need to remove "http://"; from the >>> address >>> > bar. >>> > >>> > Best, >>> > Chao >>> > >>> > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Lefty Leverenz >>> > <leftylever...@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > > Andrés, I followed that link and got the dread 404 Not Found: >>> > > >>> > > "The requested URI /pub/torres/Hiperfuse/extended_hiperfuse.pdf >>> > > was not found on this server." >>> > > >>> > > -- Lefty >>> > > >>> > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:23 PM, <andres.qui...@parc.com> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > > Dear Lefty, >>> > > > >>> > > > Thank you very much for pointing that out and for your initial >>> > pointers. >>> > > > Here is the missing link: >>> > > > >>> > > > ftp.parc.com/pub/torres/Hiperfuse/extended_hiperfuse.pdf >>> > > > >>> > > > Regards, >>> > > > >>> > > > Andrés >>> > > > >>> > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > From: Lefty Leverenz [mailto:leftylever...@gmail.com] >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 12:48 AM >>> > > > To: dev@hive.apache.org >>> > > > Subject: Re: Request for feedback on work intent for >>> > > > non-equijoin >>> > support >>> > > > >>> > > > Hello Andres, the link to your paper is missing: >>> > > > >>> > > > In our preliminary work, which you can find here (pointer to >>> > > > the >>> paper) >>> > > ... >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > You can find general information about contributing to Hive in >>> > > > the >>> > > > wiki: Resources >>> > > > for Contributors >>> > > > < >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/Hive/Home#Home-Resources >>> f >>> orContributors >>> > > > > >>> > > > , How to Contribute >>> > > > <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/Hive/HowToContribute>. >>> > > > >>> > > > -- Lefty >>> > > > >>> > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:42 PM, <andres.qui...@parc.com> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > > Dear Hive development community members, >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > I am interested in learning more about the current support >>> > > > > for non-equijoins in Hive and/or other Hadoop SQL engines, >>> > > > > and in >>> getting >>> > > > > feedback about community interest in more extensive support >>> > > > > for >>> such >>> > a >>> > > > > feature. I intend to work on this challenge, assuming people >>> > > > > find >>> it >>> > > > > compelling, and I intend to contribute results to the community. >>> > Where >>> > > > > possible, it would be great to receive feedback and engage >>> > > > > in collaborations along the way (for a bit more context, see >>> > > > > the postscript of this message). >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > My initial goal is to support query conditions such as the >>> following: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > A.x < B.y >>> > > > > >>> > > > > A.x in_range [B.y, B.z] >>> > > > > >>> > > > > distance(A.x, B.y) < D >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > where A and B are distinct tables/files. It is my >>> > > > > understanding >>> that >>> > > > > current support for performing non-equijoins like those >>> > > > > above is >>> > quite >>> > > > > limited, and where some forms are supported (like in >>> > > > > Cloudera's Impala), this support is based on doing a >>> > > > > potentially expensive >>> cross >>> > > > product join. >>> > > > > Depending on the data types involved, I believe that joins >>> > > > > with >>> these >>> > > > > conditions can be made to be tractable (at least on the >>> > > > > average) >>> with >>> > > > > join algorithms that exploit properties of the data types, >>> > > > > possibly with some pre-scanning of the data. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > I am asking for feedback on the interest & need in the >>> > > > > community >>> for >>> > > > > this work, as well as any pointers to similar work. In >>> > > > > particular, >>> I >>> > > > > would appreciate any answers people could give on the >>> > > > > following >>> > > > questions: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > - Is my understanding of the state of the art in Hive and >>> > > > > similar tools accurate? Are there groups currently working >>> > > > > on similar or related issues, or tools that already >>> > > > > accomplish some or all of >>> what >>> > I >>> > > > have proposed? >>> > > > > >>> > > > > - Is there significant value to the community in the support >>> > > > > of >>> such >>> > a >>> > > > > feature? In other words, are the manual workarounds >>> > > > > necessary >>> because >>> > > > > of the absence of non-equijoins such as these enough of a >>> > > > > pain to justify the work I propose? >>> > > > > >>> > > > > - Being aware that the potential pre-scanning adds to the >>> > > > > cost of >>> the >>> > > > > join, and that data could still blow-up in the worst case, >>> > > > > am I missing any other important considerations and >>> > > > > tradeoffs for this >>> > > > problem? >>> > > > > >>> > > > > - What would be a good avenue to contribute this feature to >>> > > > > the community (e.g. as a standalone tool on top of Hadoop, >>> > > > > or as a Hive extension or plugin)? >>> > > > > >>> > > > > - What is the best way to get started in working with the >>> community? >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Thanks for your attention and any info you can provide! >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Andres Quiroz >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > P.S. If you are interested in some context, and why/how I am >>> > proposing >>> > > > > to do this work, please read on. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > I am part of a small project team at PARC working on the >>> > > > > general problems of data integration and automated ETL. We >>> > > > > have proposed a tool called HiperFuse that is designed to >>> > > > > accept declarative, high-level queries in order to produce >>> > > > > joined (fused) data sets >>> from >>> > > > > multiple heterogeneous raw data sources. In our preliminary >>> > > > > work, which you can find here (pointer to the paper), we >>> > > > > designed the architecture of the tool and obtained some >>> > > > > results separately on >>> the >>> > > > > problems of automated data cleansing, data type inference, >>> > > > > and >>> query >>> > > > > planning. One of the planned prototype implementations of >>> > > > > HiperFuse relies on Hadoop MR, and because the declarative >>> > > > > language we >>> proposed >>> > > > > was closely related to SQL, we thought that we could exploit >>> > > > > the existing work in Hive and/or other open-source tools for >>> > > > > handling >>> the >>> > > > > SQL part and layer our work on top of that. For example, the >>> > > > > query given in the paper could easily be expressed in >>> > > > > SQL-like form with >>> a >>> > > > > non-equijoin >>> > > > > condition: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > SELECT web_access_log.ip, census.income >>> > > > > >>> > > > > FROM web_access_log, ip2zip, census >>> > > > > >>> > > > > WHERE web_access_log.ip in_range [ip2zip.ip_low, >>> > > > > ip2zip.ip_high] >>> > > > > >>> > > > > AND ip2zip.zip = census.zip >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > As you can see, the first impasse that we hit in order to >>> > > > > bring the elements together to solve this query end-to-end >>> > > > > was the >>> realization >>> > > > > and performance of the non-equality join in the query. The >>> > > > > intent >>> now >>> > > > > is to tackle this problem in a general sense and provide a >>> > > > > solution for a wide range of queries. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > The work I propose to do would be based on three main >>> > > > > components within >>> > > > > HiperFuse: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > - Enhancements to the extensible data type framework in >>> > > > > HiperFuse >>> > that >>> > > > > would categorize data types based on the properties needed >>> > > > > to >>> support >>> > > > > the join algorithms, in order to write join-ready >>> > > > > domain-specific >>> > data >>> > > > > type libraries. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > - The join algorithms themselves, based on Hive or directly >>> > > > > on >>> Hadoop >>> > > MR. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > - A query planner, which would determine the right algorithm >>> > > > > to >>> apply >>> > > > > and automatically schedule any necessary pre-scanning of the data. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Best, >>> > Chao >>> > >>>
