"William A. Rowe, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> At 10:52 AM 5/24/2002, you wrote:
> >"William A. Rowe, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Can I ask WHY?  -k has never supported anything but start/stop/restart
> > > and has always required a seperate -D SSL argument on Win32.
> > >
> > > I see the advantage of a simple apachectl doit verb that includes ssl.
> > > However, overloading -k start -D SSL with -k startssl seems outright
> > > silly.  We can't argue back-compat here, -k didn't exist before.
> >
> >I think that this is your main point (please confirm):
> >
> >   don't support "httpd -k startssl", and instead force the user (or
> >   apachectl) to run "httpd -k startssl -DSSL"
> 
> err... still a bit redundant, httpd -k start -DSSL should suffice [I'm pretty
> sure that's what you ment to ask :-]

yep, I meant "-k start -DSSL" :)

> >One issue that may affect your opinion: historic apachectl verbs are
> >to be considered deprecated; the vision is that apachectl is just a
> >wrapper script whose user interface is the same as httpd.  Thinking
> >long-term (e.g., Apache 2.1 or whatever), would you want the user to
> >have to do
> >
> >   httpd -k start -DSSL
> 
> Yes.  How many other server modules [protocols especially, such as
> pop3 and so on] will beg the same.  It's bogus.
> 
> If you configure your machine for SSL, then run it as SSL already!!!

I'm +.6 on removing the "httpd -k startssl" hack already committed (my
only reservation is due to my lack of interaction with the folks that
actually use the startssl|sslstart thingie).

Heck, I'm even fine with completely ditching the old apachectl verbs
with 2.0.37 and imposing the un-onerous task on admins of converting to
the httpd syntax.  Once that happens the help text for httpd matches
what apachectl will accept.

For the moment I'll wait until I hear more opinions before deviating
from the plan outlined in the original discussion.

Thanks,

-- 
Jeff Trawick | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Born in Roswell... married an alien...

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