At 11:21 PM 10/11/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I am so sick of this conversation. 2.0 isn't done yet. It won't be done >until it is actually stable, and it isn't currently stable.
Fine. That's no reason to deprecate modules mid-stream. Was it a good choice to rename mod_access to mod_auth_host? Well, I suppose it makes much more sense, from our view. But from a common sense administrators view, that's OS Coders fsking around with naming for the sake of changing the names. And it does them no practical good. >But, you have worn me down. Create a new fscking tree, populate it and >begin working on it. I will be finishing 2.0. My analogy was bad. Let me rephrase. 1.3 is mixed, baked and now cooling down. 2.0 is mixed, still baking and won't cool down for a while. I'm asking that we move Justin's changes to 2.1 and start mixing the danged thing already. And let that not stop anyone from fixing bugs!!! When the right fix is a straightforward change to some borked code, apply it to both trees at once. If the right fix is to redesign the server, axe a module, or whatever, then lets do that in a 2.1 tree. >And yes, this is very harshly worded. We have had this conversation >multiple times, and everytime, the same people want to branch, and the >same people want to stabilize the server. If you can't deal with taking >the time to stabilize the server, then branch the tree. But, do not even >think of saying that the MMN of 2.0 can't change just because you have >created a new tree. Of course the httpd project will always have cross purposes by the coders and other contributors. Everyone here has itches to scratch. That's GOOD! If we didn't, this project would be dead long ago. I'm asking for Justin''s revamp to come out of 2.0. I'm suggesting it go immediately into a new tree. If that is reasonable to people, please say so. If I'm being unreasonable, please point that out. I'm suggesting that Justin's change doesn't stabilize the tree. You want us all rowing with you in the same direction. That isn't open source development within the Apache framework. That's "Joes' Project" on sourceforge, or the Linux model. It's not the Apache way. So rather than argue, let's provide the tree for folks to explore their new efforts. Won't be in anyone's way. In fact, it will improve the stability of the GA branch, which is something I believe ALL of us desire. Bill
