Correct.  But in HTTP/1.0 the connection will close after the response,
and in HTTP/1.1 it may not (if Keepalive is used).

Souramita Sen wrote:
> Thanks everyone for useul information though it's a bit confusing. Okie I
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> Suppose text/html page size is 9k and it cant be delivered from server side
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:54 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Basic query regarding client-server communication with browser
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> On May 30, 2007, at 4:18 AM, Issac Goldstand wrote:
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>> It will either set it, or rely on the socket close.  When I say socket
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>>> From: Issac Goldstand [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 1:21 AM
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>>> Subject: Re: Basic query regarding client-server communication  
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