Shahida, I did have issues getting 0.4.6 to work with Hive 1.1 when I was initially trying out testing hudi with a cdh docker. Balaji had claimed in the chain that 0.4.6 worked well for Uber in their setup that ran CDH5.7.x. But it never worked for me with CDH5.10 etc. I am copy pasting my earlier email thread. I had to make the changes listed in the URL below on 0.4.6 branch to get things to work. I must have a copy of that code in my server and I shall try to find it and upload the jars. But should you want to explore further, then the below snippet of email should be very helpful to you. Thanks Kabeer.
PS: The link is: https://github.com/bvaradar/hudi/commit/e189734a07b8782ea1d21b3c780dfc61c2ab8f2b (https://link.getmailspring.com/link/[email protected]/0?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fbvaradar%2Fhudi%2Fcommit%2Fe189734a07b8782ea1d21b3c780dfc61c2ab8f2b&recipient=ZGV2QGh1ZGkuYXBhY2hlLm9yZw%3D%3D) Email below just for context of my earlier discussion on this thread. On Sunday, May 19, 2019, 11:45:24 AM PDT, Kabeer Ahmed <[email protected] (https://link.getmailspring.com/link/[email protected]/1?redirect=mailto%3Akabeer%40linuxmail.org&recipient=ZGV2QGh1ZGkuYXBhY2hlLm9yZw%3D%3D)> wrote: Hi, I think it is OK to deprecate the Hive 1.1 support. As of 0.4.6-SNAPSHOT that I was using the latest build about 3 weeks ago, I did face issues if I did want to work with Hive 1.1 that is bundled as a part of CDH 5.13 docker image. I did have to make manual tweaks listed at: https://github.com/bvaradar/hudi/commit/e189734a07b8782ea1d21b3c780dfc61c2ab8f2b (https://link.getmailspring.com/link/[email protected]/2?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fbvaradar%2Fhudi%2Fcommit%2Fe189734a07b8782ea1d21b3c780dfc61c2ab8f2b&recipient=ZGV2QGh1ZGkuYXBhY2hlLm9yZw%3D%3D) (https://link.getmailspring.com/link/[email protected]/0?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fbvaradar%2Fhudi%2Fcommit%2Fe189734a07b8782ea1d21b3c780dfc61c2ab8f2b&recipient=ZGV2QGh1ZGkuYXBhY2hlLm9yZw%3D%3D (https://link.getmailspring.com/link/[email protected]/3?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Flink.getmailspring.com%2Flink%2FF03C0E62- 95AE-4EA2-B280-241FBDA0C9DC%40getmailspring.com%2F0%3Fredirect%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fgithub.com%252Fbvaradar%252Fhudi%252Fcommit%252Fe189734a07b8782ea1d21b3c780dfc61c2ab8f2b%26recipient%3DZGV2QGh1ZGkuYXBhY2hlLm9yZw%253D%253D&recipient=ZGV2QGh1ZGkuYXBhY2hlLm9yZw%3D%3D)) to get it to work. I thought at Uber CDH is being used. Have you upgraded to CDH6.x? In summary: My experience has been that without the changes listed above hive 1.1 has issues. So 0.4.6-SNAPSHOT didnt work for me? I think it will be great to document that Hive 1.1 support is deprecated and doesnt work beyond 0.4.5? Thanks Kabeer. On May 17 2019, at 11:18 pm, Vinoth Chandar <[email protected] (https://link.getmailspring.com/link/[email protected]/4?redirect=mailto%3Avinoth%40apache.org&recipient=ZGV2QGh1ZGkuYXBhY2hlLm9yZw%3D%3D)> wrote: > I am in favor of deprecating Hive 1.x unless someone has a strong > objection. Most cloud offerings like EMR/Data Proc all support Hive 2.x and > Hive 3.x is going to grow. > This seems like a move in the right direction > > /thanks/vinoth On May 19 2019, at 8:43 pm, [email protected] (https://link.getmailspring.com/link/[email protected]/5?redirect=mailto%3Avbalaji%40apache.org&recipient=ZGV2QGh1ZGkuYXBhY2hlLm9yZw%3D%3D) wrote: > + 1 on deprecating Hive 1.1. > On the other note mentioned by Kabeer, > Hey Kabeer, > The Hive integration with CDH 5.7.x still works fine. We internally use the > hive-sync capability of latest version of Hudi to let deltastreamer sync to > Hive 1.x tables. We do not have CH 5.13 setup. Did you notice that older > version of Hudi (pre-0.4.6) worked fine with CDH 5.13 ? > Balaji.V On Oct 17 2019, at 6:17 pm, Vinoth Chandar <[email protected]> wrote: > I completely understand the Hive 1.x. Juggling multiple things atm. Let me > think more over the weekend and get back if I have a way to make Hive 1 > work now. > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 7:40 AM Shahida Khan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes Kabeer, you are absolutely right with respect to my requirements. > > Sorry for no update, was not well !! > > > > Well.!! I tried couple of options and but one of your options to forcefully > > add the jar to DeltaStreamer, it worked! > > Unfortunately, as I was expecting and vinoth said in previous email too, > > Hive 1.x gave me a bump. > > Currently working on that .. > > > > > > Regards, > > Shahida K > > > > > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 7:26 PM, Kabeer Ahmed <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Shahida, > > > How have you been faring with the setup? Did any of the options work for > > > you? > > > If you still are out of luck, I can spin a CDH cluster in docker and > > > > model > > > your test case. From your emails, am I right in assuming that all you > > > > want > > > to do is use DeltaStreamer to ingest from Kafka into Hudi and create a > > > > hive > > > table on the top of that? > > > Thanks > > > Kabeer. > > > > > > On Oct 16 2019, at 9:19 am, Shahida Khan <[email protected] > > .INVALID> > > > wrote: > > > > Thank Kabeer for helping me with doc, I am currently looking into it > > > > > > > and > > > trying multiple options, if I came across anything, will keep you posted. > > > > > > > > @Vinoth > > > > As suggested, I have whitelisted the parquet dependency in the above > > > > > > mention pom file, still got the same error message. > > > > > > > > As of now, I am directly using Hudi-Utilities jar, there is no separate > > > project or my own project. > > > > Also, with respect to Hive, I am aware of the same, as of now I have > > > > > > share the Hive URL of 1.x which is used by CDH in config. > > > > > > > > Again attaching the logs for reference. > > > > Regards, > > > > Shahida R. Khan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 9:22 PM Vinoth Chandar <[email protected] > > > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > > > I have added both the dependency and tried too. > > > > > > > > > > If you are trying to get the hudi-utilities bundle to include a jar, > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > you also need to whitelist it explicitly here > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-hudi/blob/master/packaging/hudi-utilities-bundle/pom.xml#L67 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heads up : you may hit issues with Hive since CDH hive is still 1.x > > > (world > > > > > is moving to Hive 3+ slowly, all other cloud/distro vendors are on > > > > > > > > > > > Hive > > > > > 2.x). > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 8:33 AM Kabeer Ahmed <[email protected] > > > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > > > Shahida > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for trying out various options. I do not work on the CDH > > > platform. > > > > > > So I am hoping that someone with Cloudera platform will help you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > jar. If I remember right there are CDH jars that are deployed under > > > > > > /etc/cloudera/cdh/version and you should be able to find the jar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > path to > > > > > > include on your classpath. I can also see that this file is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > referenced in > > > > > > cloudera documentation at: > > > > > > > > > > > https://docs.cloudera.com/documentation/enterprise/5-14-x/topics/cdh_ig_parquet.html > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > https://link.getmailspring.com/link/[email protected]/0?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.cloudera.com%2Fdocumentation%2Fenterprise%2F5-14-x%2Ftopics%2Fcdh_ig_parquet.html&recipient=ZGV2QGh1ZGkuYXBhY2hlLm9yZw%3D%3D > > > ) > > > > > > (this is the same CDH 5.14 that you are using). Please try to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > search > > > for > > > > > > the jar with the name: parquet-hadoop-1.8.*.jar. > > > > > > On another thread ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/bigdatagenomics/adam/issues/1742 ( > > > > > > > > > > > https://link.getmailspring.com/link/[email protected]/1?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fbigdatagenomics%2Fadam%2Fissues%2F1742&recipient=ZGV2QGh1ZGkuYXBhY2hlLm9yZw%3D%3D > > > )) > > > > > > I also see an option of using: --packages > > > > > > org.apache.parquet:parquet-hadoop:1.8.2. > > > > > > If nothing works then we can use the brute force method of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > downloading the > > > > > > jar manually from the link below and placing it on the classpath. > > > > > > > > > > > https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.parquet/parquet-hadoop/1.8.3 > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > https://link.getmailspring.com/link/[email protected]/2?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fmvnrepository.com%2Fartifact%2Forg.apache.parquet%2Fparquet-hadoop%2F1.8.3&recipient=ZGV2QGh1ZGkuYXBhY2hlLm9yZw%3D%3D > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you please try these options and revert back with your > > > observations? > > > > > > I do understand why parquet-hadoop dependency in the pom.xml didnt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do the > > > > > > magic because it seems hudi code doesnt have a real dependency on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. I > > > > > > still need to see the dependency tree if this jar is included > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > parquet-avro. > > > > > > There are loads of users from companies like Uber on this thread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > use > > > > > > hudi on CDH. Someone must have a solution for your issue. > > > > > > On Oct 15 2019, at 2:51 pm, Shahida Khan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected] > > > > ).INVALID> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Kabeer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have added both the dependency and tried too. > > > > > > > Just a version change, I have used *parquet-hadoop 1.8.1 *since > > > > > > > > > > > > *parquet-avro > > > > > > > *is* 1.8.1.* > > > > > > > *Looks like this * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * <parquet.version>1.8.1</parquet.version>* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *<dependency><groupId>org.apache.parquet</groupId><artifactId>parquet-avro</artifactId><version>${parquet.version}</version><!-- > > > > > > > <scope>provided</scope> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --></dependency><dependency><groupId>org.apache.parquet</groupId><artifactId>parquet-hadoop</artifactId><version> > > > > > > > ${parquet.version} </version></dependency> * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > *Shahida R. Khan* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 7:12 PM Kabeer Ahmed < > > [email protected] > > > (mailto:[email protected])> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Thank you Shahida. Can you please confirm that you have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > included > > > both > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > below dependencies and tried the build? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If your build is missing parquet-hadoop, then the required > > class > > > may > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > be found. If you have already included the below dependencies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > still it > > > > > > > > doesnt work, I can upload a jar for you to try. > > > > > > > > <dependency> > > > > > > > > <groupId>org.apache.parquet</groupId> > > > > > > > > <artifactId>parquet-avro</artifactId> > > > > > > > > <version>${parquet.version}</version> > > > > > > > > <scope>provided</scope> > > > > > > > > </dependency> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dependency> > > > > > > > > <groupId>org.apache.parquet</groupId> > > > > > > > > <artifactId>parquet-hadoop</artifactId> > > > > > > > > <version>1.8.3</version> > > > > > > > > </dependency> > > > > > > > > On Oct 15 2019, at 2:28 pm, Shahida Khan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > > > .INVALID> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Kabeer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for quick response! > > > > > > > > > Also, our project already include the below dependency, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should include "org.apache.parquet.parquet-hadoop" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dependency> > > > > > > > > > <groupId>org.apache.parquet</groupId> > > > > > > > > > <artifactId>parquet-avro</artifactId> > > > > > > > > > <version>${parquet.version}</version> > > > > > > > > > </dependency> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have even checked the ```jar -tvf shahida.jar | grep -i > > > > > > > > CompressionCodecName``` class is not available in the jar even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > including in build. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Strange is, I have even provided the parquet-avro jar via > > > > > > spark-submit, > > > > > > > > and it behave differently for 1.7 and 1.8 > > > > > > > > > Seems like there is some configuration missing with respect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HoodieStorageConfig.PARQUET_COMPRESSION_CODEC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Shahida R. Khan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 4:24 PM Kabeer Ahmed < > > > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > > > > > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Shahida > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to Hudi. I am not an expert with DeltaStreamer as I > > > do not > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > it. In general, I think this points to the issue with build of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the fat > > > > > > jar. > > > > > > > > This looks to me that either you didnt build the fat jar to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > include > > > > > > all the > > > > > > > > dependencies or your class path didnt include the jar needed. > > > > > > > > > > For some reason I didnt receive the full stack trace > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attachment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either you forgot to attach it or mail system blocked it. > > > > > > > > > > Can you please check: > > > > > > > > > > That your pom has dependency shown as below: > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.parquet/parquet-hadoop > > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > > > <dependency> > > > > > > > > > > <groupId>org.apache.parquet</groupId> > > > > > > > > > > <artifactId>parquet-hadoop</artifactId> > > > > > > > > > > <version>1.8.3</version> > > > > > > > > > > </dependency> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you also run ```jar -tvf shahida.jar | grep -i > > > > > > > > CompressionCodecName ``` and let us know the output that you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > Once we have the answers to the above, we can see what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > missing > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > address that hopefully. > > > > > > > > > > Kabeer. > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 15 2019, at 10:39 am, Shahida Khan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you are doing well. > > > > > > > > > > > I am currently trying to implement the Hudi Utilities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using Delta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Streamer. 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